What Should Calzaghe's Resume Have Looked Like?!

[Ishy Aytan]

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Ive just read nothing but an extremelly biased Calzaghe article.

'You know after Hopkins called out Calzaghe after the Wright fight, you know Joe wanted it but had to face Kessler'?

What the **** is this guy on about?


'Hopkins has never faced a guy like Calzaghe'.

Okay fella.

[S A M U R A I]

I apologise for acting like an idiot but i hear the same stuff from every Calzaghe fan.

I'm not taking Calzaghe's word for it... but when has ever Hopkins said that he backed out of the the fight with Calzaghe? Never.

You know like i say its all Hearsay.

OK, apology accepted, but to counter your argument, I hear the same stuff from every Calzaghe hater -- they ignore the facts and usually refuse to give credit where it's due. They see only what they want to see.

But anyway, the Hopkins-Calzaghe failed fight from 2002 is not hearsay.

Why the hell would Hopkns say "Duh... yeah, it's true, I backed out of a fight with Calzaghe."? He wouldn't say this because it isn't good for his image.

I have never heard him even mention it, never mind claim it as untrue. The fact is, Calzaghe has been calling out Hopkins for the last 7 years at least. Watch the post-fight interview from the Calzaghe-Mitchell fight for starters. That was 2003. He was calling him out before that, too, and many people have spoken about the fight which didn't happen.

No big deal, at least they fought n the end despite both of them being well past their prime. But it is something worth mentioning when somebody claims "Calzaghe waited until Hopkins got old".



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It's not all about just the names also, it's when he met them.

Most of the guys he beat during his WBO time were comin off losses.

More important than who is when. Especially in boxing. It's why I hate when people throw out names like it matters. Charles Brewer might've been good a year or two before but he was already shopworn when Calzaghe met him and beating Pemberton proves nothing. i still think it was a decent win for Jor, for instance but the fact that it was possibly his best win during his prime reign is not very promising.

[andrewcuff]

You miss the whole point. Roy Jones was in the driver's seat hence the onus was on them, not him to make concessions.

Example: Roy Jones never wanted to fight Antonio Tarver. When Tarver became the #1 contender back in 2000, Jones wrote a letter to the IBF stating Tarver wasn't ready and that Tarver should have a box-off with #2 contender Eric Harding. Jones agreed to fight the winner. To his credit, he did, when Harding broke Tarver's jaw and took a UD.

Tarver kept plugging away and worked his way back to the #1 ranking. And then - in a fight he didn't have to take and was advised not to - he rematched Harding and blasted him in five. Then picked up two belts at LHW, showed up at every press conference and harassed Roy until a fight was made. This time, Jones couldn't use the "he's not ready excuse."

Say what you want about Tarver but he dared to be great. If Calzaghe really wanted Jones he would've moved up and fought some LHW contenders and worked his way up. But that was too much work for him, I guess. What do they say? The greatest risk in life is not taking one.

That's a good point, but you shouldn't have to harass someone for years to get a fight with them. Joe probably should have been a bit vocal pursuing the big fights, but my original point still stands. It is a two way process. Joe could have called Roy out on live TV, just like B-Hop did, but that wouldn't necessarily mean a contract would eventually get signed between the two.

But, respect, at least you are a reasonable guy and have the knowledge to back up your opinions unlike most of the haters on here.

[Ishy Aytan]

But you'll take Hopkins word......

And this is not Calzaghe's word. If you'd read Ring, there was an article about Joe which detailed it

Of course, Hopkins clearly has said that the fight with Roy never happened because of money issues. He's never denied this. If he says the same about Calzaghe i'd believe him, its coming straight from his mouth.


And not once did Calzaghe mention it during the press conference when they fought last year. Surely he would have brang this up?

[Ishy Aytan]

You miss the whole point. Roy Jones was in the driver's seat hence the onus was on them, not him to make concessions.

Example: Roy Jones never wanted to fight Antonio Tarver. When Tarver became the #1 contender back in 2000, Jones wrote a letter to the IBF stating Tarver wasn't ready and that Tarver should have a box-off with #2 contender Eric Harding. Jones agreed to fight the winner. To his credit, he did, when Harding broke Tarver's jaw and took a UD.

Tarver kept plugging away and worked his way back to the #1 ranking. And then - in a fight he didn't have to take and was advised not to - he rematched Harding and blasted him in five. Then picked up two belts at LHW, showed up at every press conference and harassed Roy until a fight was made. This time, Jones couldn't use the "he's not ready excuse."

Say what you want about Tarver but he dared to be great. If Calzaghe really wanted Jones he would've moved up and fought some LHW contenders and worked his way up. But that was too much work for him, I guess. What do they say? The greatest risk in life is not taking one.

Great Post. Green K.

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That's a good point, but you shouldn't have to harass someone for years to get a fight with them. Joe probably should have been a bit vocal pursuing the big fights, but my original point still stands. It is a two way process. Joe could have called Roy out on live TV, just like B-Hop did, but that wouldn't necessarily mean a contract would eventually get signed between the two.

But, respect, at least you are a reasonable guy and have the knowledge to back up your opinions unlike most of the haters on here.

You don't have to harass. You have to back up the talk with actions. Antonio Tarver has been harassing Roy Jones his whole career. But he didn't get a shot until he backed it up.

Roy Jones and James Toney trashed talked each other too. But it wasn't until Roy blasted the highly respected Thomas Tate, relinquished his title and moved up that he garnered enough respect to challenge the man.

You back up your actions with words. What if Calzaghe moved up, beat up Virgil Hill and Eric Harding? Sounds a lot better than calling out Roy from a little island while beating up on Tucker Pudwill, right?

[Ishy Aytan]

You don't have to harass. You have to back up the talk with actions. Antonio Tarver has been harassing Roy Jones his whole career. But he didn't get a shot until he backed it up.

Roy Jones and James Toney trashed talked each other too. But it wasn't until he blasted the highly respected Thomas Tate, relinquished his title and moved up that he garnered enough respect to challenge the man.

You back up your actions with words. What if Calzaghe moved up, beat up Virgil Hill and Eric Harding? Sounds a lot better than calling out Roy from a little island while beating up on Tucker Pudwill, right?

Another good post.

[BattlingNelson]

Calzaghe's resume is always a sticking point for posters on here. So for the guys who think Joe could (or should really!) have had better names on his resume, who would they be?

This is probably pointless but:

This is meant to be a serious question, try to keep the flaming to a minimum here!

I posted this piece by Paul Upham a while ago:

"Opening up my copy of The Ring magazine from October 1996, I note the then super middleweight top ten as follows: 1.Roy Jones Jr, 2.Frank Liles, 3.Steve Collins, 4.Vinny Pazienza, 5.Nigel Benn, 6.Vincenzo Nardiello, 7.Henry Wharton, 8.Michael Nunn, 9.Sugar Boy Malinga, 10.Joe Calzaghe. That was exactly one year before Calzaghe won the vacant WBO belt against Chris Eubank.

I note that Calzaghe would not go on to face any of the nine boxers rated above him. Fast forward five years to September 2001 and The Ring ratings at super middleweight were: 1.Sven Ottke, 2.Joe Calzaghe, 3.Byron Mitchell, 4.Antwun Echols, 5.Eric Lucas, 6.Charles Brewer, 7.Thomas Tate, 8.Dingaan Thobela, 9.Mads Larsen, 10.James Butler. Calzaghe would go on to beat Mitchell and Brewer. While it is clear that the super middleweight division wasn’t that strong at times during his reign, there were important fights Calzaghe could have made. After winning the WBO strap in October 1997, he did not win another world title until beating Jeff Lacy for the IBF belt in March 2006. That’s almost ten years where he could have become a multiple belt champion and shown the talent he really did possess.

Full credit to Calzaghe for what he has achieved. He proved what a talent he is in his wins over Kessler and Hopkins. I am still maintain however that he could have taken other fights much earlier which would have shown the boxing world his talent before he turned 33. The key for me is that even if he couldn’t secure a fight with a big name in the USA, he needed to unify and win at least one of the other three main world titles. Sticking only with the WBO belt for so long when it now seems he could have achieved so much more."

I bolded the fighters missing on Joe's resumée.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Of course, Hopkins clearly has said that the fight with Roy never happened because of money issues. He's never denied this. If he says the same about Calzaghe i'd believe him, its coming straight from his mouth.


And not once did Calzaghe mention it during the press conference when they fought last year. Surely he would have brang this up?

The Hopkins-Roy 2 fight broke down because Bernard wanted a 50/50 split from the get go. He didnt AGREE to a 60/40 split then later demand 50/50. You are REALLY BAD at drawing parallels.

Calzaghe mentioned it several times.