Does Floyd Mayweather Jr. crack the top 50 ATG list?

[andrewcuff]

floyd get hit on average less than 10 times per round... hes never been dropped, never been in serious danger, and has never lost or drawed...... pernell lost to both trinidad and dlh...... thats not top 10 atg material, seeing as neither one of them are top 50 atgs..... the fact of the matter is, statistically floyd is a superior fighter..... sweet pea was fun to watch, but he was not better than floyd mayweather.

#1 Floyd was dropped against Judah. The ref might not have counted it, but it should have stood

#2 A lot of people believe Castillo won the first fight, so it isn't clear cut when you say he's never lost. It makes it sound as if he's never been in danger of losing

#3 Pernell lost to Trinidad and Oscar when he was well past his best, even though many feel he actually beat Oscar. The fact that you've even brought these fights up shows your limited knowledge of Pea.

#4 Exactly how is Floyd better statistically?

You are just another biased fanboy, without much knowledge before Floyd hit the scene.

[MELLY-MEL...]

50ish give or take is where i feel.

[Ishy Aytan]

What opposition has Floyd beat since 2002 that make him so much greater than Hopkins?

Floyd most likely would humiliate Margarito. The guy has no real boxing ability. But Cotto and Williams would give him a lot of trouble. Floyd is less effective against a good jabber/body puncher which is why Cotto would trouble him and Williams would just be awkward because of huge reach advantage. If Floyd had the offense of Ray Leonard then it wouldn't be so much of an issue, but when you are potshotting against a WW with a bigger reach than Ali, it is.

I think the P4P list is overrated as well. For example, beating Pacquiao is much more impressive because he's P4P #1?! How is beating a smaller guy more impressive than beating a larger guy (the bigger guys in this case are elite level fighters). Surely they should be placed on the same level, for different reasons?

Lastly, read my previous posts. I've always said Floyd is skilled. There's no doubt that the man has talent in abundance. But he falls short on a lot of people's ATG lists because of an apparent lack of interest in dangerous fighters.

This is where guys like yourself go seriously wrong. Fights are won on boxing ability not on weight. Floyd beats Cotto and Williams as they lack the neccesary skills to compete with him.

Hatton was ment to punish Floyds body but that didnt happen as Floyds the master of preventing a fighter in using his best weapon. Examples include him preventing Oscar from using his left hook, Hatton using his body punches, Zab using his speed after the 3rd round... etc etc.

Pacquiao has the skills to compete with Floyd. He has great speed and accuracy and punches in bunches.


Since 2000, Floyd has beaten 8 world champions whilst moving up 5 weight catorgorys. He wins this clearly.

[Great Afrikan]

i only read a few posts but felt the need to say;

Pernell Whittaker was a better defensive master than floyd, that man won rounds based on defense.

[andrewcuff]

This is where guys like yourself go seriously wrong. Fights are won on boxing ability not on weight. Floyd beats Cotto and Williams as they lack the neccesary skills to compete with him.

Hatton was ment to punish Floyds body but that didnt happen as Floyds the master of preventing a fighter in using his best weapon. Examples include him preventing Oscar from using his left hook, Hatton using his body punches, Zab using his speed after the 3rd round... etc etc.

Pacquiao has the skills to compete with Floyd. He has great speed and accuracy and punches in bunches.


Since 2000, Floyd has beaten 8 world champions whilst moving up 5 weight catorgorys. He wins this clearly.

I didn'y say weight would be the determining factor in the fight, read my post again. I said Cotto would be troublesome because of his jab and bodyshots and Williams would be troublesome because Floyd would find it difficult to potshot a guy with an 82" reach if Williams could learn to use his advantage!

I was making the point that surely beating a naturally bigger who is arguably the best of his division is just as impressive as beaten the P4P #1, who is naturally smaller. That is what I meant when talking about weight.

Hopkins has beaten 7 world champions in that time, but he started the decade aged 36. How is that clearly behind Floyd?

[Ishy Aytan]

That might be a construed as nuthugging there. Which of Benitez's fights have you seen? The mans defence was amazing, better than Floyds. They didn't call him the radar for no reason. Even Ray Leonard praised his defence, once claiming Benitez knew what was coming before Leonard threw his punch (es). If one of the best offensive fighters of all time gives praise like this, you know they are very good.

Also, ducking shots using reflexes isn't defensive ability? Huh? Ducking and slipping are the core of a good defence.

Im a fan of the sport before a fan of any fighter. Please dont discredit me or even try undermining me, i have seen many fights of Benitez.

Ducking shots using reflexes is one part of being a great defensive fighter. But fighters which use reflexes always get hit once there reflexes are no longer as sharp as they were. This is the case with all fighters with great reflexes. Ali, Jones Jr, and Whittaker.

The proof is in the pudding, watch when Wright takes on Williams in April. Wrights defense will be the same as it has been all these years even after a long lay off. This is because his defense is not based on reflexes like other fighters such as Whittaker. This is why he lost against Oscar and Trinidad. His reflexes were not as sharp. Great defensive fighters maintain their defense throughout their careers.

[andrewcuff]

Im a fan of the sport before a fan of any fighter. Please dont discredit me or even try undermining me, i have seen many fights of Benitez.

Ducking shots using reflexes is one part of being a great defensive fighter. But fighters which use reflexes always get hit once there reflexes are no longer as sharp as they were. This is the case with all fighters with great reflexes. Ali, Jones Jr, and Whittaker.

The proof is in the pudding, watch when Wright takes on Williams in April. Wrights defense will be the same as it has been all these years even after a long lay off. This is because his defense is not based on reflexes like other fighters such as Whittaker. This is why he lost against Oscar and Trinidad. His reflexes were not as sharp. Great defensive fighters maintain their defense throughout their careers.

Okay, then since you have seen prime Benitez, why is Floyd better? Floyd doesn't slip punches as well as Benitez did. Floyd is not as effective when his opponent is a good jabber and Benitez could slip/catch jabs with ease. Hitting him with a straight right when you were standing directing in front of him was damn near impossible. Another reason comes from the Duran vs Benitez fight. I have honestly never seen a boxer look so comfortable on the inside, up against the ropes/corner. Benitez was just blocking, ducking, slipping almost everything that Duran, the greatest in-fighter of all time threw at him. It was magical to watch.

Whitaker proved his defence against the best opposition though. Clearly beating JCC (I don't care what the judges said!), is an example of his greatness. Compare this with Floyd vs Castillo I & II. Floyd's defence is one of the best of all time, top 5, but not the best.

[Ishy Aytan]

Okay, then since you have seen prime Benitez, why is Floyd better? Floyd doesn't slip punches as well as Benitez did. Floyd is not as effective when his opponent is a good jabber and Benitez could slip/catch jabs with ease. Hitting him with a straight right when you were standing directing in front of him was damn near impossible. Another reason comes from the Duran vs Benitez fight. I have honestly never seen a boxer look so comfortable on the inside, up against the ropes/corner. Benitez was just blocking, ducking, slipping almost everything that Duran, the greatest in-fighter of all time threw at him. It was magical to watch.

Whitaker proved his defence against the best opposition though. Clearly beating JCC (I don't care what the judges said!), is an example of his greatness. Compare this with Floyd vs Castillo I & II. Floyd's defence is one of the best of all time, top 5, but not the best.

For me he's the best ever defensive fighter.

[andrewcuff]

For me he's the best ever defensive fighter.

Haha, okay fair enough Something tells me we're not going to agree on this lol!

I've given my reasons why I think Floyd is not the GOAT defensively speaking, unlike the haters on here! But no worries, everyone has their own opinion!

[Ishy Aytan]

Haha, okay fair enough Something tells me we're not going to agree on this lol!

I've given my reasons why I think Floyd is not the GOAT defensively speaking, unlike the haters on here! But no worries, everyone has their own opinion!

Yep respect, all i want is for people to back up their statements and opinions and give explanations to why they feel a certain way.


Half of the guys on here simply make a statement then vanish.