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  • Zocalo
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    #31
    Well lets just say he isn't alone with the flawed logic that one uses to aviod fighters.

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    • ALT=_=Assassin
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      #32
      Originally posted by Spider_SsSilver
      Good to see you back Enemy/Friend
      How is it going Hunter?????

      Limey ****

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        #33
        Originally posted by ALT=_=Assassin
        How is it going Hunter?????

        Limey ****
        what? im not into fat yanks i like limey peeps they are good people
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        Last edited by Sick/; 02-21-2009, 12:07 PM.

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          #34
          Originally posted by hammerhiem

          He beat 9 world champions (Eubank, Woodhall, Brewer, Mitchell, Reid, Lacy, Kessler, Hopkins, RJJ)
          Eubank was passed it, lost 2 of 6 previous bouts, with his wins against sub-par fighters. He lost his next 2 bouts. Go figure.
          Woodhall = Er...Mediocre fighter
          Brewer = beating a 37-8 figher with no significant wins is nothing significant.
          Mitchell = Er...Mediocre fighter
          Reid = Taking a very very dodgy SD, no Rematch. Go Figure.
          Lacy = Anyone's career defining fight is againt Lacy really does not say much. Last i heard Lacy was schooled silly by Taylor.
          Kessler = IMO, Joe's best win, but again, his only real claim to fame is his loss to Joe, and he has not beaten anyone to be a career definging win.

          Hopkins = Joe should have gone to the states sooner to face a Prime Hopkins. HE would have lost, but his career would have had more significance. Taking a dodgy SD against a 43 year old is pretty poor. I also don't but into the nonesense "Hopkins Ducked Joe". Nobody is going to go to Wales to face someone holding 1 belt (and the WBO belt at that). I mean look at Froch, not even Taylor can be bothered with him and his 1 belt.
          Let alone a Superstar like Hopkins or RJJ..

          Roy = 3-3 in his lat 6 bouts, with his 3 wins coming against 2 mediocre fighters, and an ex-welterweight: Trinindad.

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          Face it, Calzaghe's career lacks 1 Prime v Prime bout against a Boxing Superstar.

          Hatton did that against Mayweather, he got KTFO mind, but compare him now to Joe.

          Calzaghe had so much talent, but wasted it all spending a decade in an awful weight-class, beating mediocre mandatories, when he could have made the move to the states a early as 01

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            #35
            Originally posted by minion
            Eubank was passed it, lost 2 of 6 previous bouts, with his wins against sub-par fighters. He lost his next 2 bouts. Go figure.
            Woodhall = Er...Mediocre fighter
            Brewer = beating a 37-8 figher with no significant wins is nothing significant.
            Mitchell = Er...Mediocre fighter
            Reid = Taking a very very dodgy SD, no Rematch. Go Figure.
            Lacy = Anyone's career defining fight is againt Lacy really does not say much. Last i heard Lacy was schooled silly by Taylor.
            Kessler = IMO, Joe's best win, but again, his only real claim to fame is his loss to Joe, and he has not beaten anyone to be a career definging win.

            Hopkins = Joe should have gone to the states sooner to face a Prime Hopkins. HE would have lost, but his career would have had more significance. Taking a dodgy SD against a 43 year old is pretty poor. I also don't but into the nonesense "Hopkins Ducked Joe". Nobody is going to go to Wales to face someone holding 1 belt (and the WBO belt at that). I mean look at Froch, not even Taylor can be bothered with him and his 1 belt.
            Let alone a Superstar like Hopkins or RJJ..

            Roy = 3-3 in his lat 6 bouts, with his 3 wins coming against 2 mediocre fighters, and an ex-welterweight: Trinindad.

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            Face it, Calzaghe's career lacks 1 Prime v Prime bout against a Boxing Superstar.

            Hatton did that against Mayweather, he got KTFO mind, but compare him now to Joe.

            Calzaghe had so much talent, but wasted it all spending a decade in an awful weight-class, beating mediocre mandatories, when he could have made the move to the states a early as 01
            #1 Reid was offered an immediate rematch, but decline. He only started calling Joe out when his career was on the slide. Interestingly enough he wouldn't give Joe a shot at the WBC when he was the holder and wouldn't give a unification fight when Joe won the WBO either. He only fought Joe AFTER he'd lost his own belt.

            #2 He was making advances on Roy in 2000, but Roy wasn't interested.

            #3 He went after Hopkins in 2002, when Bernard agreed to fight, then come back the day after asking for DOUBLE the money.

            #4 After beating Manfredo, he went after Taylor, until Jermaine priced himself out.

            #5 He thought about Tarver, until he lost to Johnson.

            #6 And don't try to say that he avoided a prime fighter in Johnson. The guy has 12 losses. I'm sure Joe would get all the praise in the world beating him, wouldn't he?


            The fact is Joe could -and should- have done more in his career with his talent, but it wasn't as if he was offered huge fights and America and he refused, preferring to fight in the UK for the majority of his career.

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            • Zocalo
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              #36
              I also don't but into the nonesense "Hopkins Ducked Joe". Nobody is going to go to Wales to face someone holding 1 belt (and the WBO belt at that).
              Lets not forget that the WBO was the same organization that had a dead guy in their supermiddleweight rankings for 9 months and even moved him up...

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                #37
                Originally posted by Spider_SsSilver
                what? im not into fat yanks i like limey peeps they are good people
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                Limey peeps? You make me sick.........

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by ALT=_=Assassin
                  I love Limey peeps! they make me happy.........
                  Limey peeps=ATG's

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Spider_SsSilver
                    Limey peeps=ATG's
                    Listen Limey peeps are ok only when they are dissing yanks like me. At all other times they have no personalities.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by minion
                      Last i heard Lacy was schooled silly by Taylor.
                      Was that physically and psychologically the same Lacy then?

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