Comparing Corrales-Castillo II to Nate's performance tonight

[Sugar May Floyd]

bad night for juan and/or bad matchup for juan.

before the nate fight i considered juan the best at 135 while casa the lineal champ.

didn't change for me when nate won.

everybody was all on his nuts because he had 3 belts but he didn't earn those 3 belts. juan fought 3 champs to get those belts and nate just beat 1 guy.

You thinking is all wrong. No such thing as a fluke when he beat a guy clearly.

If you thought Juan was the man at 135 and Nate beat them. Nate is and becomes the man.

So what Juan beat 3 champs, Campbell beat his ass.

[Crazy Dude]

he was being absolutely destroyed before that. he staggered 3/4 of the way across the ring after a punch he took for 9 rounds in the first fight

He was staggered by a punch. After that he recovered and went right back to trading punches with Castillo, just like in the first fight.

Casamayor doesn't hit as hard as Castillo and Casa had Corrales staggering across the ring when they both made weight.

I think the punch that ended it was just perfectly timed and would have been a one punch knockout regardless of weight.

[Left Hook Tua]

You thinking is all wrong. No such thing as a fluke when he beat a guy clearly.

If you thought Juan was the man at 135 and Nate beat them. Nate is and becomes the man.

So what Juan beat 3 champs, Campbell beat his ass.

obviously usually the guy who beats the man will be the man in the division.

i just didn't feel it was the case in this instance.

just because the guy was the best at a division and someone beats him doesn't automatically mean the guy who beat him is the new best fighter in the division.

look at hatton vs. pacquiao.

hatton is the best at 140 but if pacquiao beats him i'll consider pacquiao the lineal champ but i wouldn't say he's the best at 140.

[Sugar May Floyd]

obviously usually the guy who beats the man will be the man in the division.

i just didn't feel it was the case in this instance.

just because the guy was the best at a division and someone beats him doesn't automatically mean the guy who beat him is the new best fighter in the division.

look at hatton vs. pacquiao.

hatton is the best at 140 but if pacquiao beats him i'll consider pacquiao the lineal champ but i wouldn't say he's the best at 140.

Pacman beats Hatton 140. Pacman becomes the man at 140. That's just some straight up common sense.

Mosley is the man to beat at WW now
Pavlik is the man to beat at MW after beating Taylor
Calzaghe after getting a lucky nod over Hopkins

and so on

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE=DiegoFuego;4756870]If the Corrales-Castillo rematch told us anything, it's that you have a huge advantage when you don't get down to the weigh-in limit while your opponent does. Tonight's Campbell performance tells me he loses to Funeka tonight without those knockdowns, and those knockdowns are the result of one guy making weight and one guy not.

To go back to October 2005 before 3/4 of this forum followed boxing...

Corrales weighs in at 135, Castillo at 138.5...eerily similar to Funeka and Campbell's weights respectively. In Corrales-Castillo I, both guys weighed in at the 135lb limit and Castillo needed 10 rounds to finally put Corrales down. In the rematch, when he didn't kill himself to make 135, Castillo destroys Corrales with ease in 4 rounds...QUOTE]

Difference is, both Castillo and Corrales were younger and moved up in their very next fights. Its harder to make weight the older you get. I don't give Nate a pass for not making weight, but he still did his job. I won't credit him for a big win, but I won't fault him either.

[Pullcounter]

Pacman beats Hatton 140. Pacman becomes the man at 140. That's just some straight up common sense.

Mosley is the man to beat at WW now
Pavlik is the man to beat at MW after beating Taylor
Calzaghe after getting a lucky nod over Hopkins

and so on

plain and simple common sense

[Left Hook Tua]

Pacman beats Hatton 140. Pacman becomes the man at 140. That's just some straight up common sense.

Mosley is the man to beat at WW now
Pavlik is the man to beat at MW after beating Taylor
Calzaghe after getting a lucky nod over Hopkins

and so on

like i said......usually for me that's the case.

it just wasn't the case for me on nate.

another example was baldomir for me.

even though he beat judah who was the man i didn't consider him the best in the division.

[OnePunch]

but Nate's saying the week of the fight he's always about 4-5 pounds heavy at the top of the week. that's just bull**** in my book. by fight week, you should be right there, 1 pound or 2 off, but 4-5 is absurd. I doubt any of you play with your careers like that. if your boss demands you be in at 8:00 every day for one week, I doubt any of you show up at 9:00 or 10:00 without damn good excuses.

Thats because you dont know what the hell you are talking about. The reason most fighters walk around 10-20 pounds over their fighting weight is because the training camp work takes off that weight. You cant go into camp at or near fighting weight, or you would have no weight to lose dumbass. If a 135lb fighter goes into camp at 140 or even 145, and the camp takes 15-20 pounds off him (sparring, mitts, rope, and everything else) he would be dead on his feet, because he would be losing mass, not fat.

[OnePunch]

bad night for juan and/or bad matchup for juan.

before the nate fight i considered juan the best at 135 while casa the lineal champ.

didn't change for me when nate won.

everybody was all on his nuts because he had 3 belts but he didn't earn those 3 belts. juan fought 3 champs to get those belts and nate just beat 1 guy.

Runner up for Dumbest Post of All Time

[BennyST]

it depends what kind of fight you're in. if I'm in against a guy like Calzaghe or Byrd who is just there to outwork me, then I don't want to have a weight advantage.

if I'm in with a guy who wants to **** and brawl, then hell yeah I want a weight advantage so I can knock him down and hopefully out while I'm behind on points

Funeka only wanted to outwork and outbox Nate tonight though so it would have been in his advantage as Nate would have been a little slower. Anyway, this was rather unlike Nate so I think it the weight really worked against him. He was very tired early and later on was utterly exhausted. The weight, and trying to make it obviously drained him quite badly as it's rare to see him that tired. Actually, I don't thin I've ever seen him even cose to be that exhausted in a fight before so the weight eventually worked in Funeka's advantage.

Anyway, you yourself just pointed out that if you were in against a guy that was trying to out-work you then you would not want a weight advantage. Funeka was trying to do just that, so you kind of contradicted yourself a bit there mate. Anyway, in a rematch with Nate at weight, not drained, he would have finished off Funeka in the eleventh, instead he could hardly throw anything after that initial volley.