Comparing Corrales-Castillo II to Nate's performance tonight

[DiegoFuego]

If the Corrales-Castillo rematch told us anything, it's that you have a huge advantage when you don't get down to the weigh-in limit while your opponent does. Tonight's Campbell performance tells me he loses to Funeka tonight without those knockdowns, and those knockdowns are the result of one guy making weight and one guy not.

To go back to October 2005 before 3/4 of this forum followed boxing...

Corrales weighs in at 135, Castillo at 138.5...eerily similar to Funeka and Campbell's weights respectively. In Corrales-Castillo I, both guys weighed in at the 135lb limit and Castillo needed 10 rounds to finally put Corrales down. In the rematch, when he didn't kill himself to make 135, Castillo destroys Corrales with ease in 4 rounds...

The point is, I don't think there's any way Campbell drops Funeka if they both weigh in at 135 and thus doesn't win this fight. I'm just trying to show why I think this is nonsense that Nate is getting a free pass for not making weight simply because he's a nice guy that most of the boxing world likes. He got away with murder tonight, and I don't think he won the fight even with the KDs.

Oh well, let's stop complaining about weight and loaded gloves and let fighters do whatever they want from now on as long as they're nice guys. But don't worry, we'll make sure to bury Mayweather or Calzaghe if they ever come back and fail to make weight and end up winning a fight. We'll downright crucify those bastards.

[warp1432]

I tend to agree, but Nate clearly was effected from the drain tonight stamina wise. He was tired after round 3.

[DiegoFuego]

And yes I realize guys can get knocked out earlier in rematches as has been the case (Morales-Pacquiao II and III or Arce-Hussein I and II), but in Corrales' case, the guy took 9 rounds of punishment from Clottey (MUCH bigger than Castillo) before going down when both guys had to make 147 on the same day.

Not making weight is an advantage. I don't think that can be debated.

[DiegoFuego]

I tend to agree, but Nate clearly was effected from the drain tonight stamina wise. He was tired after round 3.

If Nate was fighting a rapid-fire pitty pat puncher looking to just outwork him that might have been a factor, but he was fighting a guy who wanted to brawl with him and we know Nate can go 12 with just about anybody at 135.

[THE REED]

I personally feel like it means that Nate was drained to the MAX, to the point he just couldnt get down, and even 2 hours later he could only lose 1/4 pound... to me that would make it seem like he just had nothing left to give. So to have two knockdown while your body is under that type of strain at his age is impressive.

I would rather be healthy at 135, then drained to the MAX with a 3 pound weight advantage.

[THE REED]

I see the argument of having a 3 pound weight advantage over your opponent... but I think to the degree that Nate was dehydrated, it seemed like his body would be better off in shape at 135, then dehydrated at 138.

[DiegoFuego]

I personally feel like it means that Nate was drained to the MAX, to the point he just couldnt get down, and even 2 hours later he could only lose 1/4 pound... to me that would make it seem like he just had nothing left to give. So to have two knockdown while your body is under that type of strain at his age is impressive.

I would rather be healthy at 135, then drained to the MAX with a 3 pound weight advantage.

it depends what kind of fight you're in. if I'm in against a guy like Calzaghe or Byrd who is just there to outwork me, then I don't want to have a weight advantage.

if I'm in with a guy who wants to **** and brawl, then hell yeah I want a weight advantage so I can knock him down and hopefully out while I'm behind on points

[Kball15]

idk i tend to think that 2nd round happens regardless. Maybe in the 11th you have a point though. Maybe he is to weak to put together those punches that made room for the big right hand.

In Corrales Case, i think he really KILLED himself to get down to the limit, whereas i dont think Funeka has too much trouble making it down to 135. At least not yet

[DiegoFuego]

maybe in Nate's case being in shape would have led to the same result as he won more rounds but didn't score the knockdowns. maybe he would have won anyway, but the point is make weight. that's all I'm asking from fighters.

if boxing is your job, take it seriously and stay in shape all year round. stay around your fighting way like Mayweather, Hopkins, and the other greats did and still do. don't show up to camp having to lose 10 pounds. that's a crock of **** and shows you don't take your career seriously. you only fight twice a year anyway. stay in shape all the time and you can fight three times and increase your yearly earnings by 1/3. failing to make weight is never, ever an excuse. not when guys like B-Hop do it to perfection at age 43.

[THE REED]

it depends what kind of fight you're in. if I'm in against a guy like Calzaghe or Byrd who is just there to outwork me, then I don't want to have a weight advantage.

if I'm in with a guy who wants to **** and brawl, then hell yeah I want a weight advantage so I can knock him down and hopefully out while I'm behind on points

But the whole point of my post is, you're not necessarily bringing more knockout power being 3 pounds heavier but dehydrated to the max compared to being 3 pounds lighter but in shape and healthy...

I'd feel like I can punch harder and with more force and speed, if I'm in shape and healthy compared to being dehydrated and spent, but with 3 extra pounds on me...