I wish Joe Blow had done more in his career...

[VirusTI]

No, jones beat Tarver the first time.

Jones will always be higher P4P>Hopkins.

I like B Hop,but jones schooled him, and Jones in his prime is clearly unreal

[IMDAZED]

Hopkins was obviously not as good as he was a couple years later when Jones fought him.

Then again, neither was Jones.

[S.G.]

Bringer you did fail to mention Jones beat Hopkins in an actual, head-to-head fight though... It's a large basis for placing him above B-Hop, even taking the circumstances of Hopkins not completely being Hopkins yet etc. into consideration

personally I do rate him above Jones though - all things considered, although I can't see how they can be far from each other

On the subject of Joe's resume, I am pretty much in full agreement with Duke... A part of me still thinks he's gonna come back to fight the winner of that increasingly likely fight between B-Hop and Dawson

[VirusTI]

Looking at the Toney-Jones fight, i dont think it would matter at what Age Hopkins met a prime roy.

All roads for Hopkins lead to "L"

[ßringer]

Oh I see, yeah. And he was lucky in the first one, yeah. Unless you're talking to a Roy fan, then Roy dominated.

It's the truth.

No, jones beat Tarver the first time.

See above.

Jones will always be higher P4P>Hopkins.

According to Roy fans, yes. According to Hopkins fans, no. Let's see how history looks upon Hopkins 15 years from now, considering he's one of, if not the best 40+ year old fighters of all time.

I like B Hop,but jones schooled him, and Jones in his prime is clearly unreal

7 rounds to 5, or 8 rounds to 4 is hardly a schooling by my standards. Schooling : See : Hopkins/Pavlik, Hopkins/Tarver, Hopkins/Trinidad. All 3 of those were much clearer examples of a schooling.

Also see Calzaghe/Lacy.

That said, Roy did beat him. No argument from me there whatsoever.

[ßringer]

Bringer you did fail to mention Jones beat Hopkins in an actual, head-to-head fight though... It's a large basis for placing him above B-Hop, even taking the circumstances of Hopkins not completely being Hopkins yet etc. into consideration

personally I do rate him above Jones though - all things considered, although I can't see how they can be far from each other

On the subject of Joe's resume, I am pretty much in full agreement with Duke... A part of me still thinks he's gonna come back to fight the winner of that increasingly likely fight between B-Hop and Dawson

I take nothing away from Jones' victory over Hopkins, it was a clear cut victory for Roy and he was the better man that night.

But in terms of legacy I stand my ground.

[VirusTI]

Your right, roy did not school, but can you honestly tell yourself and me that Hopkins could beat a prime roy? Doubtfull

[Duke McKenzie_]

Bring, it's been a while since I saw the fight, so I don't have a particular issue with people saying he took it 7-5 in the rules of boxing... but when people try to make out it was a great performance where he dominated (or say that Ruiz will one day go in the HOF, LOL) I do have to think WTF.

Incidentally, here's me, The Duke, commentating on that very fight with my friend John Rawlings:

[ßringer]

Your right, roy did not school, but can you honestly tell yourself and me that Hopkins could beat a prime roy? Doubtfull

To me, schooling means humiliated. That's what I equate it to. The fights I mentioned were humiliating for the losers. Hopkins was very competitive with Roy, although clearly outclassed. There was no humiliation to be had there.

As for Prime Roy fighting Hopkins, c'mon, naturally I'd pick Hopkins. You didn't expect me to predict anything outside of a clear Hopkins victory, did you?

It would be a very interesting matchup though between a prime Jones vs. the 2001-2004 era Bernard. The newer version of Hopkins, while still highly competitive and successful, is too defensive minded to eek a decision against an athletic opponet like a Prime Jones.

[ßringer]

Bring, it's been a while since I saw the fight, so I don't have a particular issue with people saying he took it 7-5 in the rules of boxing... but when people try to make out it was a great performance where he dominated (or say that Ruiz will one day go in the HOF, LOL) I do have to think WTF.

Incidentally, here's me, The Duke, commentating on that very fight with my friend John Rawlings:

First off, that's some great commentating there Duke.

Secondly, it's been a while since I've watched the full first scrap myself, but I remember thinking Tarver won it something like 7-5, 115-113. It was a close fight, that could've been a draw or a victory for either man, but Tarver was the one who made the fight. He left the greater impression and looked like the man who won, rather than Roy.


And Ruiz is a disgrace. I can't fault Jones for picking him as his selection to take his title, because Roy didn't belong at HW no matter who he was in with. But had he selected anybody with a pulse, it may have been a much different story for ole Roy that night.