Carl Froch Fires Back at Jermain Taylor Over Calzaghe Jab

[-EX-]

Can't wait until Jermain whoops dat ass.

[Testdead]

The Cobra will strike No Intentions with speed and deadly venom.

Nobody can handle the Cobra's power, he leaves opponents for dead.

Like Pascal

[slicksouthpaw16]

This is going to be a great fight and i like Froch in this one. I just don't think Taylor has seen anyone that has the one punch power of Froch and i don't think his stamina is where it should be against this kind of a well conditioned, consistent boxer.

I'm taking bets.

[Spacey1991]

Taylor is gonna putting this english sheep shagging northern monkey out of his misery.

Froch isn't welsh, nor a Derby County fan... so he can't be a sheep shagger. Don't try to be so racist because it backfires and makes you look the idiot.

[Chase8400]

You know I respect you fella, hence mentioning my high thoughts for you a few times, I think dstew suggested as much too. All good.

But saying Taylor only just beat Lacy is ridiculous, and most will agree. Taylor clearly, widely beat him, and only Lacy thought he won ludicrously. To say it was close isn't as bad, but most would damn well laugh and question your judgement. Say what you like, the fight was not close so to make out it was is very misleading and questions your judgement if you really believe that.

Secondly on Froch, I don't think our views differ too much really. But I do find a double standard in your argument. You criticised Kessler heavily for not having faced top competition when in the division he has. Yet you don't hold the same level of critique for that on the part of Pascal whom is vastly more guilty of that very criticism.

Take a look at Kesslers win over top division guys, and then try and even come close for Pascal.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=237830

Their not that far away in the rankings, Pascal is simply far far more guilty of this criticism and you decide to be harsher on Kessler for being far less guilty, yet manage to credit Pascal somehow as, as good as beating a belt holder. That seems very odd and of double standards. It was a vacant belt which Pascal also got a shot at due to others not choosing to just yet, and there's no getting away from that.

As for your sig, leaving it there for such a time signifies a real strong feeling of Calzaghe contradicting himself and never wanting to face Roy. It's as if you think it's major proof and a trophy win for something. It is one quote and quite a misleading one, not to mention because countless of times I and others have linked you MORE sources, from MORE reputable sources, MORE times consisting of clearer quotes from Calzaghe on Roy Jones. You've never really even credited or even acknowledged these much to the degree they beggar in contradiction to your quote. This suggests your just dismissive to believing anything bar that one measely quote in your signature. That's misleading and carefully particular about minority information to over play, whilst down playing some stronger majority information.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...13#post4715013

Once again, remove the SIG please.

First is first. Lacy hurt Taylor......clearly. You must have saw it. I know I saw it. Hurting and KO'ing a guy to me indicates a possible instant win for the party doing the damage. I know that the overall result was very one sided for Taylor, it was obvious but that doesn't eliminate the FACT that he did get hurt for a moment. Example: I think a prime Roy Jones KO's Calzaghe when he hurts him in round one if he were indeed, in his prime. I don't care if the lower part of the glove caught Joe or not, he was very visibly stunned and while I definitely agree that he recovers very quickly, the Jones of old doesn't let Joe survive the round. I say Jones had a very good chance to beat Joe even in their Nov. fight even if we both know he lost a very one sided decision, overall.

The difference between Froch and Kessler is simple. Froch is in position and negotiating a big fight as we speak while Kessler is sitting on the sidelines. While I agree that he is a very good to exceptional boxer/puncher, he is not trying to make the best fights possible. He was given a position to excel after Joe but he has chosen to fade out. Froch's situation is excusable , in my opinion, while Kesslers is not. Froch has just barely made the limelight and he is taking full advantage of it, as it seems. Kessler would most likely beat Froch if they fight, but that point is moot. Case closed as far as I'm concerned and It's nowhere near contradictory of me.

My link in my avatar is Calzagh'e own words when Jones was still himself and is nowhere near missleading. I honestly don't know where the missleading accusation comes from. It's a direct quote. I remember it from a long time back. I just finally found it because somebody posted it in a thread that I stumbled across. It was not intended to degrade Joe in any way. It was simply to help explain the whole 'ducking' situation between the fighters. I didn't say Joe ducked Jones, but if one ducked the other it was certainly not Roy doing the ducking. As far as the length of time that the link has been in my sig goes, you are reading into this way too far. The link remains there not as a knock on yourself or Joe, but as a piece of literature that I would like to hold onto. I really don't care who agree's with me or not. I'm here to have fun and the day that I get really upset or out of sorts here is the day I will stop posting. I would hate to pull an Abadger on this website because that's my theory as to why he's discontinued posting here.

Peace Kris......we just don't agree and I don't hold it against you personally. I bet you could be my best friend in the real world. In fact I would gaurantee it.

[hugh grant]

If Carl keeps running his mouth, I think Taylor will put everything into his punches. He's a class act so people may be forgetting that he's got a mean streak, especially when he's disrespected. We haven't seen it in a while because most of his recent opponents haven't talked too much ****, but Manny Steward said Taylor is the meanest fighter he's ever trained and I think we'll see that come out when these two meet.

So Carl may be doing himself a favor in drawing Taylor into signing the fight with all the smack talk, but in the long run I think he's doing himself a disservice since being **** on is really the only way Taylor is going to get his head back into the game. I think we'll see the most focused Taylor we've seen in a long time, which is bad news for Carl.

We will only know if you are right about JTs mean streak is if JT signs his autograph on the dotted line. Im not sure Froch would talk that much if he was aware JT had a mean streak, even if it meant JT would sign?
But i think Froch is a bit of a darkhorse. Usually when a white boxer talks the talk like Froch, and its not often they do, they must know something we dont.
I think there may be something about Frochs boxing ability that may suprise us and we have yet to see.
I think Froch must be superconfident of his own ability. And the fact that Pascal took him so close hasnt seemed to dent his confidence. Froch is chit chatting as much as ever and is not more introverted as you might expect after eating more leather than you are used to, as he did against Pascal.

[Kris Silver]

Once again, remove the SIG please.

Only if you remove yours? Seems fair to me lol.

First is first. Lacy hurt Taylor......clearly. You must have saw it. I know I saw it. Hurting and KO'ing a guy to me indicates a possible instant win for the party doing the damage. I know that the overall result was very one sided for Taylor, it was obvious but that doesn't eliminate the FACT that he did get hurt for a moment.

People often get 'hurt' in fights. If Lacy's biggest pro was that one of the measely 75 shots he managed to land on Taylor actually hurt him, I really don't think many people would call that significant. Taylor can take a punch, and it would have taken a lot more to significant get him phased, or even in a position for a KO, even then Lacy proved he doesn't have the combinations, speed or movement to be able to capitalise. Anways, I should be bigging up Lacy lol, so we'll have that one. Kidding btw.

Example: I think a prime Roy Jones KO's Calzaghe when he hurts him in round one if he were indeed, in his prime. I don't care if the lower part of the glove caught Joe or not, he was very visibly stunned and while I definitely agree that he recovers very quickly, the Jones of old doesn't let Joe survive the round. I say Jones had a very good chance to beat Joe even in their Nov. fight even if we both know he lost a very one sided decision, overall.

Calzaghe's faced some big punchers, and taken some serious flush shots, and never looked like being KO'd. He recovers amazingly quickly and performs as well or better after even a KD or hard shot, so he's not that phased, if anything it spurrs him on. I favour RJJ over Calzaghe prime for prime, but he does not KO him. TKO at a push maybe but Calzaghe also rarely gets phased to the point he doesn't fight back either. Sorry but history of these fighters shows, that RJJ would have been unlikely to KO Joe's tough and proven chin. I find it interesting you maintain Roy had a very good chance of beating Joe last Nov, do you put the dominating loss down to Calzaghe being better than you expected, or Roy worse than expected? I'm sure it's a mixture of both but it hampers using the age and past prime excuse a little when you say he had a good shot at winning, then lost every round bar one.

The difference between Froch and Kessler is simple. Froch is in position and negotiating a big fight as we speak while Kessler is sitting on the sidelines. While I agree that he is a very good to exceptional boxer/puncher, he is not trying to make the best fights possible. He was given a position to excel after Joe but he has chosen to fade out. Froch's situation is excusable , in my opinion, while Kesslers is not. Froch has just barely made the limelight and he is taking full advantage of it, as it seems. Kessler would most likely beat Froch if they fight, but that point is moot. Case closed as far as I'm concerned and It's nowhere near contradictory of me.

I see what your getting at with Froch and Kesslers opposition. But you indicate not having clicked on the link outlining Kessler facing just about every top SMW out there. So what more could he have done? He's also called out loads of names. Froch on the other hand as a fellow top 10 guy, has faced awful competition, looked **** at times, and just too, has run his mouth.

As for post Calzaghe, we all want Kessler against better opposition but he's had to work his way through getting a belt again, defending, getting together and calling folk out again. And he went to America and called out numerous names, and the fights have not worked out. Most haven't even responded. Kessler says to Dawson fight me at SMW or a catch weight, Dawson says no, only LHW. Now Dawson says he's willing to go down in weight, and will one day face a not long ago WW in Williams, at SMW when he's not even fought there. When a few months previous he turned down the #1 guy with a belt at SMW. What's going on there.

My link in my avatar is Calzagh'e own words when Jones was still himself and is nowhere near missleading. I honestly don't know where the missleading accusation comes from. It's a direct quote. I remember it from a long time back. I just finally found it because somebody posted it in a thread that I stumbled across. It was not intended to degrade Joe in any way. It was simply to help explain the whole 'ducking' situation between the fighters. I didn't say Joe ducked Jones, but if one ducked the other it was certainly not Roy doing the ducking. As far as the length of time that the link has been in my sig goes, you are reading into this way too far. The link remains there not as a knock on yourself or Joe, but as a piece of literature that I would like to hold onto. I really don't care who agree's with me or not. I'm here to have fun and the day that I get really upset or out of sorts here is the day I will stop posting. I would hate to pull an Abadger on this website because that's my theory as to why he's discontinued posting here.

Peace Kris......we just don't agree and I don't hold it against you personally. I bet you could be my best friend in the real world. In fact I would gaurantee it.

I know the quote is direct from Calzaghe but you've missed what I was getting at. It's one quote out of scores of articles which cloud it. You choose to only really credit or stretch that one, whilst ignoring all the others. We'll always agree to disagree on whose more to blame on Roy Joe not happening years ago, namely due to some of the links, info and quotes I provided in previous posts. Also quotes on this site even in the past 8 months from Joe and Roy themselves. I think it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other, and largely others in the teams and politics, weights, money, ego's, travel and more. Plus people have varying degrees of what one 'should' do. But that ones a can of worms, I just wish you'd take into the equation more info and credit them, especially when their more credible sources, and far higher in number. It's only natural.

Anyways, not upset with ya dude just debating innit, I've already said I have the utmost respect for you and think your sound, don't be so paranoid eh. Enjoyed conversing, I hope you'll check out some of those links.

As for Badge, we think he full on disappeared mate, as he was quite friends with a few of us on here, doesn't make sense.

Peace

[TheCheetah]

Jermain taylor all day!

[C.Y.]

jermain is one of my fav fighters and im rooting for him to win.. carl is gaining some respect for me.. i definately agree with everything he said in regards to joe calzaghe

[Dave Rado]

It was simply to help explain the whole 'ducking' situation between the fighters.

I've never seen anyone say that Jones ducked Calzaghe. That would be a truly crazy thing to say. But it's also unfair to say that Calzaghe never tried to get a fight with Jones when Jones was at his peak, or to say that he was unwilling to travel in order to do so. E.g. see here, from 2000, and here, from 2001. Neither of them ducked the other, it's just one of those things that it never happened.