Nigel Benn: "Calzaghe Beats Me, Hagler, Hearns, Sugar"

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    #581
    Originally posted by Dynamite Kid
    Joe wouldn't of budged Hagler even, when he could apparently punch hard. Hagler not only took Hearns best shots, he also fought guys like Sibson,Obell,Roldan that were much bigger than him and they could all crack, and none of them could hurt Hagler.

    Hell Sibbo looked like godamn! CW let alone a MW.
    Hagler ducked Herol Graham.
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      #582
      Originally posted by jamsta
      I like Benn's honesty. Boxers dont admit when someone might beat them. He is honest enough-as was Eubank on Roy Jones.
      Now Eubank vs Jones would have been interesting to watch!

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        #583
        Joe wouldn't of budged Hagler even, when he could apparently punch hard. Hagler not only took Hearns best shots, he also fought guys like Sibson,Obell,Roldan that were much bigger than him and they could all crack, and none of them could hurt Hagler.
        Who did budge Hagler though? Hearns managed to back him up half a step with one of this bombs and he was one of the biggest P4P punchers of all-time! Marvin was the definition of "granite" chin. Actually, it was more like adamantium I think!

        Hell Sibbo looked like godamn! CW let alone a MW.

        Hagler ducked Herol Graham.
        Hagler ducked no-one.

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          #584
          Originally posted by andrewcuff
          Who did budge Hagler though? Hearns managed to back him up half a step with one of this bombs and he was one of the biggest P4P punchers of all-time! Marvin was the definition of "granite" chin. Actually, it was more like adamantium I think!

          Hell Sibbo looked like godamn! CW let alone a MW.


          Hagler ducked no-one.
          Dont think anyone really budged Hagler.I watched the Hagler-Mugabi fight recently and he got hit an awful lot in that one,and mugabi was another murderous puncher.Hagler was one Hard bastard!

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            #585
            Originally posted by mr.crust
            Dont think anyone really budged Hagler.I watched the Hagler-Mugabi fight recently and he got hit an awful lot in that one,and mugabi was another murderous puncher.Hagler was one Hard bastard!
            Yeah I know. Everyone talks about the Hearns fight, but the Mugabi one showed his chin far more! Mugabi was a very dangerous puncher and Hagler walked through everything. I don't recall Hagler even backing up half a step!
            The man was a machine.

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              #586
              Originally posted by mr.crust
              Dont think anyone really budged Hagler.I watched the Hagler-Mugabi fight recently and he got hit an awful lot in that one,and mugabi was another murderous puncher.Hagler was one Hard bastard!
              John Mugabi used to knock down Heavyweights in sparring so i heard, the uppercut he hit Marvin Hagler with, and the right hand Thomas Hearns hit him with in the opening bell. Are some of the best punches i've ever seen landed without a fighter going down.

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                #587
                Originally posted by andrewcuff
                Yeah I know. Everyone talks about the Hearns fight, but the Mugabi one showed his chin far more! Mugabi was a very dangerous puncher and Hagler walked through everything. I don't recall Hagler even backing up half a step!
                The man was a machine.
                The mugabi fight was probably the only time I saw hagler lumped up,but he still ruined mugabi and he was never the same after that

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                  #588
                  Originally posted by Burning Desire
                  John Mugabi used to knock down Heavyweights in sparring so i heard, the uppercut he hit Marvin Hagler with, and the right hand Thomas Hearns hit him with in the opening bell. Are some of the best punches i've ever seen landed without a fighter going down.
                  I love watching Hagler. A complete fighter. Watch some of his fights in the late 70s, he was amazing. He'd box for half the round, then start brawling. And then become a pressure fighter for the next few rounds. He's most definately one of the most balanced, all-round fighters of AT.

                  I mean if you consider Foreman: take away his power and he suddenly looks very ordinary. Take away RJJ/Whitaker's reflexes and they are suddenly far more beatable. Hagler was a complete fighter. Even if you take away his iron chin, he's still an elite fighter (he's not Margarito!). What I mean is he's not a fighter who relies on his natural talents. He had so much about him: power, speed (he was no slouch), head movment, footwork, very, very underrated defense.

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                    #589
                    Originally posted by Dynamite Kid
                    Joe wouldn't of budged Hagler even, when he could apparently punch hard. Hagler not only took Hearns best shots, he also fought guys like Sibson,Obell,Roldan that were much bigger than him and they could all crack, and none of them could hurt Hagler.

                    Hell Sibbo looked like godamn! CW let alone a MW.
                    Calzaghe could also fight well on the inside, he was very good at avoiding punches while getting his own in. He didn't punch with great power, but the cumulative effect of a very large number of punches was more debilitating than a lot of people give him credit for. Also, he did punch hard to the body, he tended not to punch hard to the head in order to protect his hands - he almost knocked Kessler out with a single body punch. And he confused fighters by firing off fast combinations consisting of maybe 5 soft punches and then a much harder one, which they wouldn't see coming. He probably wouldn't have hurt Hagler, but I think he might well have outboxed him over the 12 rounds, although he'd have been outboxed by Hagler at times.

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                      #590
                      Originally posted by andrewcuff
                      I love watching Hagler. A complete fighter. Watch some of his fights in the late 70s, he was amazing. He'd box for half the round, then start brawling. And then become a pressure fighter for the next few rounds. He's most definately one of the most balanced, all-round fighters of AT.

                      I mean if you consider Foreman: take away his power and he suddenly looks very ordinary. Take away RJJ/Whitaker's reflexes and they are suddenly far more beatable. Hagler was a complete fighter. Even if you take away his iron chin, he's still an elite fighter (he's not Margarito!). What I mean is he's not a fighter who relies on his natural talents. He had so much about him: power, speed (he was no slouch), head movment, footwork, very, very underrated defense.
                      Yea i've watched quite alot of the early version of Marvin Hagler, i was very impressed with his boxing skills in his fights against Bennie Briscoe, Vito Antuofermo 1, his footwork/counter punching. Mixed in with a bit of brawling was masterful to watch, he is the complete package like Mike McCallum, Ricardo Lopez, ETC.

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