Nigel Benn: "Calzaghe Beats Me, Hagler, Hearns, Sugar"

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When you read things like this, you've got to wonder.

Got to wonder about what?

I don't do imaginary fantasy fights, sorry. There is nothing to go on that proves Calzaghe would lose to anyone in and around his weight. We're talking about a dude who hasn't lost a fight in 19 years here.



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Got to wonder about what?

I don't do imaginary fantasy fights, sorry. There is nothing to go on that proves Calzaghe would lose to anyone in and around his weight. We're talking about a dude who hasn't lost a fight in 19 years here.

What's your point? He retired undefeated...and? When the best prime fighter you beat is Mikkel Kessler then yeah it's a little ludicrous to make statements like he could beat anyone under cruiser just because he retired undefeated.

I can think of quite a few LHW's that would've dusted him.

[C.Y.]

Ottke retired undefeated. He can also beat everyone at 168 and under.

BTW, thank God for Julio Gonzalez or Michalchewski fans might be spewing the same crap.

ok so with the Calzaghe beating everyone below crusier theory, someone can basically say Floyd May beats everyone below middle weight.. and that isnt true, its flawed logic

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to compare a hagler that fought leonard isnt that good of a comparison because hagler was past his prime when he fought Leonard..

ok so with the Calzaghe beating everyone below crusier theory, someone can basically say Floyd May beats everyone below middle weight.. and that isnt true, its flawed logic

You don't get it. I wasn't saying "it's true", I was just saying "it could just be that Calzaghe beats anyone below cruiser." That's not saying "it's true", it's just posting an opinion, a thought, or whatever you want to call it.

I believe Mayweather could probably beat anyone below middle, or at least light middle. His skills are that good, he stands a chance against anyone based on his skill set alone. It's merely an opinion. Nobody is saying "it's true", or "it's for certain".

It's not untrue either. It's all just speculation, which is what this entire thread is built on.



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[Arka]

Got to wonder about what?

I don't do imaginary fantasy fights, sorry. There is nothing to go on that proves Calzaghe would lose to anyone in and around his weight. We're talking about a dude who hasn't lost a fight in 19 years here.

For ****'s sake don't bring up that undefeated crap again.The fact that Joe was never defeated doesn't make him invincible.Just because you lack the imagination to visualise a scenario to one that hasn't occurred in reality doesn't mean it can't plausibly occur.This is especially relevant considering the quality of competition he was facing for the large part of his career.

One more thing,I believe Lennox Lewis as brilliant as he was would have serious problems with a great heavyweight in his prime possessing a quality jab and counterpunching skills.

[Wales08]

Well said Nigel Benn.

[Edward Hitler]

I don't why you think having an undefeated record is the end all be all. Do you think Joe Calzaghe is one of the top five fighter's of all time or something? Personally, anyone who retires with an undefeated record leaves a lot of questions IMO. Look at Robinson, Ali, etc...they had multiple losses. Sit back and try to figure out why that it is. Don't think too long though - it's really not that hard.

Finally, he gets respect. What more do you want???

im not saying that it makes him anything at all im saying not many fighters do what he has done and shud be respected for it personaly i think hes a cry baby but i respect him as a fighter ive said a million times i wanted him to lose to roy jones and yeah ali and others lost because they took risks which maybe joe didnt but why take a risk when you can win without it it wouldnt make sence in not looking for a fight over this but i just think joe gets shot down way to fast and badmouthed fact its hes done what a lot of fighters havent and i feel he should be given maybe just a little credit for it and and if u wanna no my personal fave 5 fighters of all time and y here u go

1. Mike Tyson (because he has the most exciting boxer of my time)
2. Roy Jones jr (because i liked his style of fighting/dancing)
3. Ali. (because he was one of the most intellegent fighters ever)
4. Marciano. (because he never new when to quit. biggest heart)
5. Joe Louis. (because his fight with max schmelling was the first fight i ever saw with my grandad and what made me get into boxing)

all of the above got beat but i think there all better than joe been undefeated obviously means he was a great fighter it dont mean he was the best not by far all im gettin at is ppl are comin out like he was 0-46 not 46-0

[Arka]

As for Hearns,Leonard and Hagler.I think that Joe could decision Leonard and Hagler at supermiddleweight late in their careers- for what it's worth.

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I could see Calzaghe beating Leonard @ 168. Benn, maybe. But Hearns and Hagler, no way.

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im not saying that it makes him anything at all im saying not many fighters do what he has done and shud be respected for it personaly i think hes a cry baby but i respect him as a fighter ive said a million times i wanted him to lose to roy jones and yeah ali and others lost because they took risks which maybe joe didnt but why take a risk when you can win without it it wouldnt make sence in not looking for a fight over this but i just think joe gets shot down way to fast and badmouthed fact its hes done what a lot of fighters havent and i feel he should be given maybe just a little credit for it and and if u wanna no my personal fave 5 fighters of all time and y here u go

1. Mike Tyson (because he has the most exciting boxer of my time)
2. Roy Jones jr (because i liked his style of fighting/dancing)
3. Ali. (because he was one of the most intellegent fighters ever)
4. Marciano. (because he never new when to quit. biggest heart)
5. Joe Louis. (because his fight with max schmelling was the first fight i ever saw with my grandad and what made me get into boxing)

all of the above got beat but i think there all better than joe been undefeated obviously means he was a great fighter it dont mean he was the best not by far all im gettin at is ppl are comin out like he was 0-46 not 46-0

I read these boards every day. And every day someone cries about Joe Calzaghe not getting enough respect. Even though - despite a few knuckleheads - we all acknowledge him to be a great fighter and a HOF'er. The problem arises when people wanna attribute things to him thatare just ludicrous like calling him an ATG, etc. So since that's not you, what's your complaint???