Only one question for Calzaghe fans

[IMDAZED]

I don't really consider Kessler elite although I'm a fan.

Maybe I have higher standards than most but in my opinion only the top p4p fighters in the world are truly "elite" meaning the best of the best.

Very few boxers, even great ones, get to beat an elite fighter in their prime.

TheManchine...another man who should post more.

Your last line is what separates the greats from the all-time greats.

[IMDAZED]

im no calzaghe fan but everyone considered lacy to be the next big thing even all the pros thought he mas an elite and wud beat joe hands down and if they considered lacy to be elite then how can u say otherwise he was massive fave to win and got hammered all the calzaghe haters out there are always gonna say he was a hype job but he beat ppl considered superstars

Because he's not elite. End of story.

[Edward Hitler]

Did you just call Bernard Hopkins a prime fighter because of what he did in the ring against Pavlik?

no read it again slowly i said he i thought he could be considered close to prime not he was 100% in his prime he beat him convincingly even if it went the distance

[dans]

i still think hopkins is very close to still been prime after the pavlik fight

See I think you're right. I think the case for Hopkins as a prime elite fighter is better than Kessler.

[tito yuca]

Ok this is a ****** post/poll because you say it's for Calzaghe FANS, but obviously those that are going to vote will be Calzaghe haters, and they'll all vote NO.

The whole definition of what makes someone "elite" is so subjective it's not even worth discussing. Ricky Hatton has been in the top 10 P4P for years and anyone who tries to tell me he's more skilled than Kessler should ****in' die.

Lacy might not have been "elite", but everyone picked him to KO Calzaghe, and not because they thought Calzaghe ******, but because everyone was on Lacy's nuts so hard. So that win, especially when you consider what Joe did to him, definitely qualifies as a victory over a prime, elite fighter.

Also, the whole "prime" thing is ******. Some fighters are so good, that even outside of their prime they still do stuff that no one expects them to do. We recently saw this with Mosley beating Margarito. While Hopkins was not in his "prime", he was still ranked top 5 P4P, so why all the talk about "prime AND elite", it's really pointless. Some fighters don't have to be in their prime to be elite, and others may be viewed as elite by some people, but not by ALL people. The point I'm trying to make is that it's very easy to try to discredit someone's resume by picking it apart like this, and it can be done with every fighter.

[IMDAZED]

no read it again slowly i said he i thought he could be considered close to prime not he was 100% in his prime he beat him convincingly even if it went the distance

Sorry dude, Hops wasn't close to his prime. Watch him in 1999, 2000...2001...that was his prime...and that was a long time ago.

[IMDAZED]

Ok this is a ****** post/poll because you say it's for Calzaghe FANS, but obviously those that are going to vote will be Calzaghe haters, and they'll all vote NO.

The whole definition of what makes someone "elite" is so subjective it's not even worth discussing. Ricky Hatton has been in the top 10 P4P for years and anyone who tries to tell me he's more skilled than Kessler should ****in' die.

Lacy might not have been "elite", but everyone picked him to KO Calzaghe, and not because they thought Calzaghe ******, but because everyone was on Lacy's nuts so hard. So that win, especially when you consider what Joe did to him, definitely qualifies as a victory over a prime, elite fighter.

Also, the whole "prime" thing is ******. Some fighters are so good, that even outside of their prime they still do stuff that no one expects them to do. We recently saw this with Mosley beating Margarito. While Hopkins was not in his "prime", he was still ranked top 5 P4P, so why all the talk about "prime AND elite", it's really pointless. Some fighters don't have to be in their prime to be elite, and others may be viewed as elite by some people, but not by ALL people. The point I'm trying to make is that it's very easy to try to discredit someone's resume by picking it apart like this, and it can be done with every fighter.

Would you rank Kessler above Hatton?

[Edward Hitler]

Because he's not elite. End of story.

i never said he was i said plenty of ppl in the boxing world considered him elite and you can say what you like had it been the other way round there would be ppl in here ranting that lacy is elite fact is he got smashed the **** out of elite or not

[savorduhflavor]

I think Kessler was far and away hist best win. Whether he's considered elite is up for debate...I, personally would lean towards no.

[boxasmash]

theres a difference between elite and hof.

kessler is definitely an elite fighter at this stage, he rules his division (168), further wins will proove this.