Larry says Mayweather beats Pernell Whiitaker and badly

[Dynamite Kid]

You really miss the point of what Zab did to Floyd. He reaffirmed that Floyd has trouble with southpaws, and is incapable of making adjustments.

Everyone knows Zab Judah is a 4 round fights, he always has been a 4 round fighter. After 4 rounds he stops punching and falls apart, even if he is winning.

Zab Judah was beating Floyd for the first 4 rounds. Floyd couldn't do anything to alter the momentum of the fight until 4 round Zab fell apart on his own.

Its not Floyd's fault. Fighters that fight out of the Philly shell have always had trouble with southpaws. Its just a flaw in the style.

We saw it with James Toney against Michael Nunn.
We saw it with Andre Berto against Luis Collazo.
We saw it with Floyd Mayweather against Zab Judah.

Its just a flaw in the style, and its the reason Floyd Mayweather has no chance of beating Pernell Whitaker.

Can Floyd change his style and win against most southpaws? Of course he can, but he is not nearly as good fighting out of a conventional style, certainly not even close to good enough out of that style to trouble the best southpaw in the history of the sport.

That is a good post i must say. I mean lets put aside the fact that Corley lost too Floyd for a second he was still hitting Floyd with punches he has never been hit with before.

[Steak]

Jorge Paez? Whitaker describes that as the easiest fight of his career.

The JCC fight semi close?

eh, Whitaker was in no way close to losing, but it was an ugly fight. Paez kept grabbing, hitting on breaks, holding and hitting, wrestling, clownin around...I think it was more competitive than most of prime Pernell's fights. I dont know how that could possibly be considered the easiest of his career considering his performances against Haugen, Poli Diaz, Anthony Jones, Nazario, Santos Cardona, etc...

I had the JCC fight 116-112 for Whitaker, which is semi close, only lost by 2 rounds. some people even could call it 115-113, and thats a close fight.

[El Dominicano]

I have Floyd Mayweather's career set i could try and upload the Victoriano Sosa fight, as for the fight itself i believe Victoriano Sosa was given too much credit. I didn't see him landing as much as the crowd or the commentators believed, and i gave him 3 rounds if i remember rightly.

As for the fighters who gave Pernell Whitaker some problems.

Freddie Pendleton = Competitive 8-4 win for Whitaker

Policarpo Diaz = Competitive early on but still 10-2 win for Whitaker

Azumah Nelson = Competitive in the later rounds 8-4 win for Whitaker

Jorge Paez = Competitive early on 8-3-1 win for Whitaker

Julio Cesar Vasquez = Competitive until later rounds 8-4 win for Whitaker

Gary Jacobs = 8-3-1 win for Whitaker Competitive early on

Wilfredo Rivera 1 and 2 = First fight draw, second fight 7-4-1 win for Whitaker both competitive fights

James McGirt 1 = 7-5/7-4-1 win for Whitaker

Diosbelys Hurtado = Hurtado winning by 1 point at the time of the stoppage

Thats my opinion.

I believe he was 32 when he faced Hurtado correct? Anyway, I know people will just say he was at his best at 135 but wasn't Mayweather at his best at 130...so we can't judge a fight between Mayweather vs Whitaker without questioning Pernell's fights at 147? That isn't fair

It is sad because that is where saw most of Pernell's flaws

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The only guy I remember who gave Pernell an unusual amount of trouble is probebly Jorge Paez. maybe Pendleton, but thats a stretch.

the first McGirt fight was fairly close, but McGirt was a pretty fantastic fighter at that time.
The JCC fight was semi close, but again, he was a pretty high level fighter at that point, being p4p #1 and all.

unless you want to count the Rivera and Hurtado fights, when he was on his way out.

The first McGirt fight is the thing that pisses me off the most about Pea's entire career. What was he thinking when he started clowning in the final part of the fight?
The fight was close because of the rounds McGirt won earlier on, and Pea was clowning... after something like the 1st Ramirez fight happened to him, how could Pea be doing that?

And that is one of the areas in which Mayweather would have an edge on Whitaker.

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I believe he was 32 when he faced Hurtado correct? Anyway, I know people will just say he was at his best at 135 but wasn't Mayweather at his best at 130...so we can't judge a fight between Mayweather vs Whitaker without questioning Pernell's fights at 147? That isn't fair

It is sad because that is where saw most of Pernell's flaws

Maybe you saw these flaws because he was slowing down? Just a thought.

Age doesn't mean squat. A fighter can begin slowing at any age. Ask Vargas. Or Leonard. Or Jones. Or a slew of others.

[Dynamite Kid]

I have Floyd Mayweather's career set i could try and upload the Victoriano Sosa fight, as for the fight itself i believe Victoriano Sosa was given too much credit. I didn't see him landing as much as the crowd or the commentators believed, and i gave him 3 rounds if i remember rightly.

As for the fighters who gave Pernell Whitaker some problems.

Freddie Pendleton = Competitive 8-4 win for Whitaker

Policarpo Diaz = Competitive early on but still 10-2 win for Whitaker

Azumah Nelson = Competitive in the later rounds 8-4 win for Whitaker

Jorge Paez = Competitive early on 8-3-1 win for Whitaker

Julio Cesar Vasquez = Competitive until later rounds 8-4 win for Whitaker

Gary Jacobs = 8-3-1 win for Whitaker Competitive early on

Wilfredo Rivera 1 and 2 = First fight draw, second fight 7-4-1 win for Whitaker both competitive fights

James McGirt 1 = 7-5/7-4-1 win for Whitaker

Diosbelys Hurtado = Hurtado winning by 1 point at the time of the stoppage

Thats my opinion.

Agree with you that "I didn't see him landing as much as the crowd or the commentators believed, and i gave him 3 rounds if i remember rightly" but i think when you see how decisively Cotto dealt with Sosa and the problems Floyd had with Castillo,DLH,Judah and Chavez to a lesser extent, he is no where near as untouchable of some of his fans seem to think.

[El Dominicano]

Maybe you saw these flaws because he was slowing down? Just a thought.

Age doesn't mean squat. A fighter can begin slowing at any age. Ask Vargas. Or Leonard. Or Jones. Or a slew of others.

RJJ depended too much on his atlethism, Vargas was just a chihuahua throw into a pack of wolves, Leonard another fighter who depended on his atlethism.
Anyway, That isn't important. Whitaker had skills, great defense. You can take away his footwork and he can still fight. Basically, he was the type of fighter who can fight under any circumstance

Just remember Mayweather slowed down alot also. Just like Whitaker wasn't at his best out of 135...Mayweather wasn't at his best out of 130

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RJJ depended too much on his atlethism, Vargas was just a chihuahua throw into a pack of wolves, Leonard another fighter who depended on his atlethism.
Anyway, That isn't important. Whitaker had skills, great defense. You can take away his footwork and he can still fight. Basically, he was the type of fighter who can fight under any circumstance

Just remember Mayweather slowed down alot also. Just like Whitaker wasn't at his best out of 135...Mayweather wasn't at his best out of 130

Great. Let's measure prime for prime then. No need to whine just because Whitaker "only showed his flaws at 147."

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You really miss the point of what Zab did to Floyd. He reaffirmed that Floyd has trouble with southpaws, and is incapable of making adjustments.

Everyone knows Zab Judah is a 4 round fights, he always has been a 4 round fighter. After 4 rounds he stops punching and falls apart, even if he is winning.

Zab Judah was beating Floyd for the first 4 rounds. Floyd couldn't do anything to alter the momentum of the fight until 4 round Zab fell apart on his own.

Its not Floyd's fault. Fighters that fight out of the Philly shell have always had trouble with southpaws. Its just a flaw in the style.

We saw it with James Toney against Michael Nunn.
We saw it with Andre Berto against Luis Collazo.
We saw it with Floyd Mayweather against Zab Judah.

Its just a flaw in the style, and its the reason Floyd Mayweather has no chance of beating Pernell Whitaker.

Can Floyd change his style and win against most southpaws? Of course he can, but he is not nearly as good fighting out of a conventional style, certainly not even close to good enough out of that style to trouble the best southpaw in the history of the sport.

You are missing what actually happened in the ring in that fight.
Your analysis of the Judah fight is so off it's funny. Because it is based on what you want to see and not what you can actually see.

If you could see Judah changing what he did, and Mayweather doing the same he was doing, you'd be right. However it is quite the contrary. You can see Judah keeping on trying to box, and Mayweather increasing the pressure.
Also, if Judah is a 4 round fighter, can you explain to me the 2 Spinks fights please?

In terms of Philly shell not working against southpaws,

Don't even mention Berto with Toney and Mayweather, you are left with two fights, observe how you pointed out at fights, where the lefty won a few early rounds only to have their ass handed to them later on, by the righty putting more pressure on him.

You know what's the deal with Toney and Mayweather? they are both great fighters who like to fight out of that defense/stance. However, being great, they adapt and do other stuff too. As testified by the fights you mentioned as ne evidence of the contrary they have answers, and pretty good answers too.

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Been a long time since I seen the Sosa fight. Sadly, I haven't been able to find it for download so I can't speak on that. Another thing, some people make JLC sound like some garbage who gave Mayweather trouble. JLC had a really good chin, great workrate, power and knew how to cut off the ring...which is amazin considering Mayweather's footspeed at 135. Just remember, Mayweather's 1st fight at 135 was against JLC. May have been a go either way type of fight but Mayweather shut everyone up in the 2nd fight.



ANOTHER THING! I have a whole bunch of Pernell Whitaker fights in my hard drive and I'll inform you on alot of people who gave Whitaker problems

My favorite part of Castillo's game which seem to go unobserved is his timing... look at his ability to take a step back from inside to midrange and land a clean right hand. Pulling stuff like that on Mayweather and Casamayor is not easy.