Larry says Mayweather beats Pernell Whiitaker and badly

[wmute]

Actually, yes it is called the philly shell... Shoulder roll refers specifically to defense for right hands.

Lets talk about facts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gww67kv-XsM#t=3m11s

3min11sec exactly why the shoulder roll doesn't work against southpaws.

It is not called 'philly shell', unless they changed the name recently (I haven't beein in a boxing gym in a while.) There is a reason why no one calls it the philly shell, including the Mayweather family, or James Toney. There is also a reason why NONE of the 70s Philly MW fought like that...

But... let's talk facts, as I have been doing all the time.

I will remind you of my post

Did I ever say that Mayweather or Toney should keep that D while fighting lefties?

No...

Did they dominate those fights after the first few rounds?

Yes...

Start reading what I write and stop trying to teach me boxing.

[BennyST]

Ima go with Floyd too. Not becuase of skill or power but because of focus. Sweet Pea BS too much for me to say he could beat floyd. And he as struggled with lesser boxers than floyd too (even thoug it wasn't in his prime). All that dancing and showboating would make him get caught and he didn't come from defense to offense like Floyd either. Also floyd throws single shot agianst fighters who are bigger and got some pop to hurt him. Pea is not bigger nor has the pop to do serious damage to him. Floyd would box with more of jab and more punches if they fought and he would win that inside fight. Whitaker struggled with McGirt twice on the inside in the pocket.

No, Whitaker struggled no more than Mayweather did against Castillo and McGirt was, in my opinion, a much better fighter than Castillo. You saying that Pea struggled with lesser boxers than Mayweather doesn't make a lot of sense. You can just reverse it. Mayweather struggled with lesser fighters than Pea and never even fought someone close to his skills. Pea at least fought guys that were as good or better than Mayweather (overall career). Have you seen the Augustus fight? Mayweather struggled with Augustus as much as Pea struggled with McGirt and Pea was screwing around in their first fight. The second he utterly dominated. There was no struggle there.

The damage factor is being overlooked. There were many fighters that Pea fought that he couldn't hurt but he beat them all convincingly and made them respect him. Mayweather would not fight that aggressively against Pea, as him becoming more aggressive would allow Pea to get off his counters and fight his fight more comfortably.

Mayweather has never fought with a jab very much and he wouldn't suddenly do it in this fight. Pea danced and showboated when he wasn't in a fight or up against an opponent that he really needed to focus on. Go watch his big fights, he doesn't screw around and wouldn't do so against Mayweather.

I mean, any decision is good. They're both amazing fighters. From what I've seen of both though, I would go with Pea as I think he had the style to beat Mayweather. The other way is fine though. As Wmute said, anyone that thinks either guy wins easily is just plain wrong. It would be a very hard fight for both.

[DiegoFuego]

Mayweather is Whitaker with a better offense, plain and simple. That's why Mayweather wins this fight. You can't beat Mayweather without applying hard pressure for 12 rounds.

[BennyST]

Nowadays you don't see many fighters like JLC at all. It's sad... the diminishing level of skills across boxers is sad. We have a great deal of excellent athletes in the game today, but only a few know how to use those tools effectively.

Very true. You will hear many people that think the Mayweather shoulder roll was invented by him or is only used by him. It was used quite a lot by all different fighters from all over the world with great effect many years ago. Also, as with Castillo, I think the demand for the Gattiesque type fighters is so high and they get paid a lot more that guys just don't bother to really try and learn their craft as they used to. Also, and rather obviously, the amount of fighting and sparring has reduced significantly and the fighting skills and experience that is learned through this, and can only be learned through this is lost.

[DiegoFuego]

I wouldn't attribute the lack of skill seen in guys like Arce and Margarito to wanting to be more Gatti-like. Nobody willingly makes themselves into Gatti's. Even Gatti tried to box and boxed better than Margarito or Arce ever could. Some guys are just blessed with good chins and have absolutely nothing else. I'm talking Margarito and Arce among others.

[Dynamite Kid]

Great thread Larryx

[larryx]

Great thread Larryx

man you have a problem

[IMDAZED]

Very true. You will hear many people that think the Mayweather shoulder roll was invented by him or is only used by him. It was used quite a lot by all different fighters from all over the world with great effect many years ago. Also, as with Castillo, I think the demand for the Gattiesque type fighters is so high and they get paid a lot more that guys just don't bother to really try and learn their craft as they used to. Also, and rather obviously, the amount of fighting and sparring has reduced significantly and the fighting skills and experience that is learned through this, and can only be learned through this is lost.

LOL. Not only do they think the shoulder roll was invented by him but also the check hook, the pull counter...

[Dynamite Kid]

man you have a problem

Larryx i do have a problem, and you know what it is? i get a kick outta pissing ulitmate fanboys off.

[Korega]

It is not called 'philly shell', unless they changed the name recently (I haven't beein in a boxing gym in a while.) There is a reason why no one calls it the philly shell, including the Mayweather family, or James Toney. There is also a reason why NONE of the 70s Philly MW fought like that...

But... let's talk facts, as I have been doing all the time.

I will remind you of my post

Did I ever say that Mayweather or Toney should keep that D while fighting lefties?

No...

Did they dominate those fights after the first few rounds?

Yes...

Start reading what I write and stop trying to teach me boxing.

I find it quite intriguing that you, as a Judah fan would show such a clip as validation of your fighter's skill. Did u see how composed Mayweather was after all those rallies, and how he recovered from awkward situation. This video actually attest to the composure skills of Mayweather under pressure. True, he may not be comfortable fighting Southpaws. But he can handle himself around them. Afterall, HE WON THE FIGHT!!!!!!

So this half-baked clip, that doesn't even show the whole picture is wack. I wouldn;t show it, if i was you