Larry says Mayweather beats Pernell Whiitaker and badly

[IMDAZED]

What is controversial about getting stopped after having your mouthpiece punched through your lip? The only reason anybody had any gripes about it was because Corrales buzzed Joel in the round leading up to the stoppage...those people are way off base though.

Yeah true but it sure as hell looked like Corrales was about to KHTFO.

[Dynamite Kid]

What is controversial about getting stopped after having your mouthpiece punched through your lip? The only reason anybody had any gripes about it was because Corrales buzzed Joel in the round leading up to the stoppage...those people are way off base though.

The reason i say controversial is, because it was not stopped, because Corrales was hurt, damaged yes, but he was well in the fight etc. All im trying to say is Casa did not beat him by outboxing him or knocking him out.

Well i guess he rendered him unable to continue, but you get where im coming from.

[oldgringo]

The only guy I remember who gave Pernell an unusual amount of trouble is probebly Jorge Paez. maybe Pendleton, but thats a stretch.

the first McGirt fight was fairly close, but McGirt was a pretty fantastic fighter at that time.
The JCC fight was semi close, but again, he was a pretty high level fighter at that point, being p4p #1 and all.

unless you want to count the Rivera and Hurtado fights, when he was on his way out.

The Paez fight wasn't close, ugly and oddly exciting, but not close in terms of who was landing the more effective punches. Whitaker also fought that fight in a manner which made Paez look better.

I agree with you on the McGirt fight. McGirt is, to this day, one of the most underrated fighters of the last 20-30 years. I really believe that. He never lacked skill, technique or mental makeup...he just struggled with the chronic shoulder problems and happened to run into some of the most talented fighters to ever grace the sport. He was a hell of a lot better than ****in Zab Judah, that's for sure.

[oldgringo]

The reason i say controversial is, because it was not stopped, because Corrales was hurt, damaged yes, but he was well in the fight etc. All im trying to say is Casa did not beat him by outboxing him or knocking him out.

Well i guess he rendered him unable to continue, but you get where im coming from.

Yeah I hear that, but it's like the Vitali/Lewis fight to me. Yeah Corrales was still very live and could have potentially landed a shot or two which put Casa's lights out, but he could have just as easily had permanent facial damage done by a few more straight shots from Casa.

Yeah true but it sure as hell looked like Corrales was about to KHTFO.

If you mean Casa, yeah maybe, but I thought he recovered well enough from the shot that rang his bell and he still had the minute in between rounds to fully recover. I guess we'll never know. I think the right action was taken though. Corrales was spitting up a **** ton of blood from what I remember.

[Dynamite Kid]

Yeah I hear that, but it's like the Vitali/Lewis fight to me. Yeah Corrales was still very live and could have potentially landed a shot or two which put Casa's lights out, but he could have just as easily had permanent facial damage done by a few more straight shots from Casa.



If you mean Casa, yeah maybe, but I thought he recovered well enough from the shot that rang his bell and he still had the minute in between rounds to fully recover. I guess we'll never know. I think the right action was taken though. Corrales was spitting up a **** ton of blood from what I remember.

Yeah thats fair enough.

[!! Shawn]

You are missing what actually happened in the ring in that fight.
Your analysis of the Judah fight is so off it's funny. Because it is based on what you want to see and not what you can actually see.

If you could see Judah changing what he did, and Mayweather doing the same he was doing, you'd be right. However it is quite the contrary. You can see Judah keeping on trying to box, and Mayweather increasing the pressure.
Also, if Judah is a 4 round fighter, can you explain to me the 2 Spinks fights please?

In terms of Philly shell not working against southpaws,

Don't even mention Berto with Toney and Mayweather, you are left with two fights, observe how you pointed out at fights, where the lefty won a few early rounds only to have their ass handed to them later on, by the righty putting more pressure on him.

You know what's the deal with Toney and Mayweather? they are both great fighters who like to fight out of that defense/stance. However, being great, they adapt and do other stuff too. As testified by the fights you mentioned as ne evidence of the contrary they have answers, and pretty good answers too.

Thats great, you missed the point again. Philly shell, plus southpaws don't mix.

Perhaps you should take up boxing and learn from some first hand experience.

I could explain to you why it doesn't work, but you wouldn't understand.

[Steak]

The Paez fight wasn't close, ugly and oddly exciting, but not close in terms of who was landing the more effective punches. Whitaker also fought that fight in a manner which made Paez look better.

I agree with you on the McGirt fight. McGirt is, to this day, one of the most underrated fighters of the last 20-30 years. I really believe that. He never lacked skill, technique or mental makeup...he just struggled with the chronic shoulder problems and happened to run into some of the most talented fighters to ever grace the sport. He was a hell of a lot better than ****in Zab Judah, that's for sure.

well, name me a closer title fight that Whitaker had during his Lightweight run. I cant think of any, other than maybe the Azumah Nelson fight, and even then Whitaker landed an amazing number of punches on him throughout the 12 rounds.

thats why I said unusually close...not that it was actually close, but just...unexpected, compared to his other opponents.

I always felt bad for McGirt. I guess his bad luck as a trainer overshadowed anything he did in his boxing career. Which is too bad, because his wins over Genero Leon and especially Simon Brown were pretty impressive. think they even got him in the top 5 p4p lists.
He would have Tsyzu'ed Judah with his right hand within 5 rounds, imo.

[larryx]

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[oldgringo]

well, name me a closer title fight that Whitaker had during his Lightweight run. I cant think of any, other than maybe the Azumah Nelson fight, and even then Whitaker landed an amazing number of punches on him throughout the 12 rounds.

thats why I said unusually close...not that it was actually close, but just...unexpected, compared to his other opponents.

I always felt bad for McGirt. I guess his bad luck as a trainer overshadowed anything he did in his boxing career. Which is too bad, because his wins over Genero Leon and especially Simon Brown were pretty impressive. think they even got him in the top 5 p4p lists.
He would have Tsyzu'ed Judah with his right hand within 5 rounds, imo.

Oh gotcha. I guess I got ahead of myself.

Yeah, it's sad that McGirt is only thought of as the guy who tells his fighters to keep jabbing to the body when they are hopelessly behind. He really was hall of fame type material, he just didn't put together enough quality wins to get in there. Like you said though, what he did against Brown and Leon, and even the second Warren fight, Davis fight and his first bout with Whitaker showed what he could do.

[Dynamite Kid]

Oh gotcha. I guess I got ahead of myself.

Yeah, it's sad that McGirt is only thought of as the guy who tells his fighters to keep jabbing to the body when they are hopeless in the fight. He really was hall of fame type material, he just didn't put together enough quality wins to get in there. Like you said though, what he did against Brown and Leon, and even the second Warren fight, Davis fight and his first bout with Whitaker showed what he could do.

I respect Buddy as a fighter too.

I dont know what happened to McGirt against Taylor though. Taylor was **** on form that night too much speed imo.