Complaint: The Ring's p4p list

[Left Hook Tua]

1. Manny Pacquiao

2. Juan Manuel Marquez

3. Joe Calzaghe

4. Bernard Hopkins

5. Israel Vazquez

6. Shane Mosley

7. Rafael Marquez

8. Ivan Calderon

9. Ricky Hatton

10. Celestino Caballero

hopkins , rafa and shane is too high.

vazquez and hatton is too low.

take calderon and caballero out and replace them with either lopez , darchinyan , donaire , dawson or even wlad.

[WhitakerIsGod]

the complaint should be why in the world is ricky hatton and celestino caballero there and Cotto isn't.

Just tell me who, who has celestino caballero fought?

[dans]

the complaint should be why in the world is ricky hatton and celestino caballero there and Cotto isn't.

Just tell me who, who has celestino caballero fought?

Cotto and Paul Williams!!

I agree.

[Left Hook Tua]

the complaint should be why in the world is ricky hatton and celestino caballero there and Cotto isn't.

Just tell me who, who has celestino caballero fought?

hatton deserves being on there.

i have no problems with taking caballero out and replacing him with cotto though.

[Chase8400]

Hatton definitely deserves to be at least 8th. He has only been beaten by one guy and that happened to be the P4P #1 in the world at the time. That's impressive. Take a closer look at the other guys on the list above him and make the decision objectively for once.

1)Manny Pacquio=3 losses and 2 by KO againt unknowns.
2)Juan Manuel Marquez=4 losses, albeit to good fighters but not all P4P ranked.
3)Joe Calzaghe=Has only beaten one prime fighter worth a crap. (Kessler)
4)B-hop=5 losses to good & elite comp, but 5 losses are still losses.
5)Izzy Vasquez=4 losses, 3 by TKO/KO and 2 unknowns KO'd him.
6)Shane Mosley=5 losses to good competition, but not to the P4P #1's.
7)Rafael Marquez=Gets KO'd 4 out of 5 losses and loses 2 times in a row, yet still has a top 10 P4P spot. What does he have to do to drop out? Die in the ring?
8)Ivan Calderon=No losses, but he has also not fought anyone of note at all.

Does anyone still doubt Hatton's claim to P4P legitimacy?

[Dambala]

1. Manny Pacquiao

2. Juan Manuel Marquez

3. Joe Calzaghe

4. Bernard Hopkins

5. Israel Vazquez

6. Shane Mosley

7. Rafael Marquez

8. Ivan Calderon

9. Ricky Hatton

10. Celestino Caballero

I don't think beating Steve Molitor gets someone there.
I'd replaced Caballero with Dawson, Cotto or Wlad.

[aether]

Hatton definitely deserves to be at least 8th. He has only been beaten by one guy and that happened to be the P4P #1 in the world at the time. That's impressive. Take a closer look at the other guys on the list above him and make the decision objectively for once.

1)Manny Pacquio=3 losses and 2 by KO againt unknowns.
2)Juan Manuel Marquez=4 losses, albeit to good fighters but not all P4P ranked.
3)Joe Calzaghe=Has only beaten one prime fighter worth a crap. (Kessler)
4)B-hop=5 losses to good & elite comp, but 5 losses are still losses.
5)Izzy Vasquez=4 losses, 3 by TKO/KO and 2 unknowns KO'd him.
6)Shane Mosley=5 losses to good competition, but not to the P4P #1's.
7)Rafael Marquez=Gets KO'd 4 out of 5 losses and loses 2 times in a row, yet still has a top 10 P4P spot. What does he have to do to drop out? Die in the ring?
8)Ivan Calderon=No losses, but he has also not fought anyone of note at all.

Does anyone still doubt Hatton's claim to P4P legitimacy?

can't understand why people piss their pants in excitement over undefeated fighters. being undefeated ALWAYS has something to do with competition, and is a weak basis in p4p debates

[S.G.]

After #5 it all goes a bit pear shaped

[S.G.]

Hatton definitely deserves to be at least 8th. He has only been beaten by one guy and that happened to be the P4P #1 in the world at the time. That's impressive. Take a closer look at the other guys on the list above him and make the decision objectively for once.

1)Manny Pacquio=3 losses and 2 by KO againt unknowns.
2)Juan Manuel Marquez=4 losses, albeit to good fighters but not all P4P ranked.
3)Joe Calzaghe=Has only beaten one prime fighter worth a crap. (Kessler)
4)B-hop=5 losses to good & elite comp, but 5 losses are still losses.
5)Izzy Vasquez=4 losses, 3 by TKO/KO and 2 unknowns KO'd him.
6)Shane Mosley=5 losses to good competition, but not to the P4P #1's.
7)Rafael Marquez=Gets KO'd 4 out of 5 losses and loses 2 times in a row, yet still has a top 10 P4P spot. What does he have to do to drop out? Die in the ring?
8)Ivan Calderon=No losses, but he has also not fought anyone of note at all.

Does anyone still doubt Hatton's claim to P4P legitimacy?

terrible analysis.....

[ИATAS]

terrible analysis.....

yeah no kidding.

Jesus, this is a pound 4 pound list of TODAY. It doesn't matter how many losses someone has years and years ago, this isn't an all time great pound 4 pound list, this is current so it's based on what a fighter has done lately, not career wise. If it was the latter Holyfield and other old ass fighters with great careers would be ranked.