Duran is perhaps the most overrated boxer in the history of the sport

[a-raines21]

He lost the Duran fight because he fought using the wrong tactics. He couldn't beat Duran by standing toe-to-toe with him, which is why in the rematch he humiliated him with superior boxing skills.

How is losing to a fighter regarded as one of the greatest LW's of all time unnacceptable when you avenge the loss twice?

Paul Williams is nowhere near the fighter Leonard was and quite likely will never get close.

I'd like to hear your top 25 ATGs as well if you've got time to post them.

ill havt to relaly think about it... but i got u

[klipsch speaker]

The guy's a bum and everytime he stepped up he lost except Leonard which he lost embarrassing in a rematch.

Wilfred Benetiz L
Hearns L
Hagler L
SRL LL

LOL need i go on?
WHo has Duran beaten thats so good? Davey Moore, Iran Barkley??? lol

If someone like Floyd Mayweather got Ko'd in 2 rounds today (duran vs Hearns) he would be an absoulete laughing stock, but for some reason people seem to forget about Duran's losses and even have the nerve to have him in the top 5 P4P greatest of all time? LOLOL

Dont even mention his lightweight record because its full of cab drivers and roadsweepers.

Duran- Lightmiddleweight champion! Who did he beat???......Ummm, Davey Moore who was a complete novice

He is by far the most overrated boxer (or even athlete) in the history of the sport and the history of all sports.
Everytime he stepped up to the plate he lost.

ive been browsing a lot of threads stating various "overrated" fighters... hopkins, mayweather, pacquiao, roy jones, joe calzaghe...

ok, roberto duran or manos de piedra actually has "two careers" so to speak...

first, he was this dominant, undisputed world lightweight champion who reigned for over SEVEN YEARS... he defeated all there was to defeat in that weight class and reigned there for a long period of time... is there any fighter in our time who comes close in dominating his division for over seven years? none except if your name is bernard hopkins or joe calzaghe... duran could have retired by then and still would have been considered an all time great by the boxing media...

duran's second career was when he left the sweet confines of the lightweight division and became a scaler through the heavier weight divisions... he dominated HOF welterweight carlos palomino and fellow ATG ray leonard coming from 135 to 147! taking his second championship in his second weight division...

after the "no mas" fight, his morale hit an all time low but came back to beat notable fighters like pipino cuevas and davey moore, securing the junior middleweight title and his third title in his third weight class... competed against hagler for the middleweight championship and gave the marvelous one all he could handle... he lost to hagler and got floored face first by thomas hearns...

came back and in the process destroyed the man who destroyed him in iran barkley at 37 years old!!!

these are the things that make duran greater than his three contemporaries... leonard and hearns are weight scalers but neither have dominated his division as an undisputed champion for a long period of time... hagler dominated his weight class as undisputed champion but he was no weight scaler... roberto duran boys are both...

and oh yes a case can be made for duran having a third career... he was only one of two fighters who fought professionally for five different decades...

add all these elements and youve got the most overrated boxer in the history of the sport...

[Lazy Liberal]

duran's fighters surpasses anythin thta Floyd fought. The only true legit legend on Floyds record is Oscar. Duran's , reads as follows, Leonard,Hearns,Hagler. Duran beat Leonard and barely lost toa prime Hagler, nothing on Floyd's resume comes close.

[deemo]

ive been browsing a lot of threads stating various "overrated" fighters... hopkins, mayweather, pacquiao, roy jones, joe calzaghe...

ok, roberto duran or manos de piedra actually has "two careers" so to speak...

first, he was this dominant, undisputed world lightweight champion who reigned for over SEVEN YEARS... he defeated all there was to defeat in that weight class and reigned there for a long period of time... is there any fighter in our time who comes close in dominating his division for over seven years? none except if your name is bernard hopkins or joe calzaghe... duran could have retired by then and still would have been considered an all time great by the boxing media...

duran's second career was when he left the sweet confines of the lightweight division and became a scaler through the heavier weight divisions... he dominated HOF welterweight carlos palomino and fellow ATG ray leonard coming from 135 to 147! taking his second championship in his second weight division...

after the "no mas" fight, his morale hit an all time low but came back to beat notable fighters like pipino cuevas and davey moore, securing the junior middleweight title and his third title in his third weight class... competed against hagler for the middleweight championship and gave the marvelous one all he could handle... he lost to hagler and got floored face first by thomas hearns...

came back and in the process destroyed the man who destroyed him in iran barkley at 37 years old!!!

these are the things that make duran greater than his three contemporaries... leonard and hearns are weight scalers but neither have dominated his division as an undisputed champion for a long period of time... hagler dominated his weight class as undisputed champion but he was no weight scaler... roberto duran boys are both...

and oh yes a case can be made for duran having a third career... he was only one of two fighters who fought professionally for five different decades...

add all these elements and youve got the most overrated boxer in the history of the sport...

nice, this should just about wrap it up.

[Burning Desire]

I do think he is somewhat overrated where he gets rated, i mean the 6th best boxer of all time ? he did have an excellent run at Lightweight and beat some very good fighters.

But when he moved up his record is just decent, he beat some good fighters like Monroe Brooks, Carlos Palomino, Iran Barkley, Davey Moore, and some great ones Sugar Ray Leonard, Pipinio Cuevas.

But overall his record just isn't that impressive above Lightweight, i mean losses to Robbie Simms, Kirkland Laing, for a fighter of his level is embarrassing. And bad losses to Wilfredo Benitez, Thomas Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard 2.

He gave very good account of himself against Marvin Hagler, but again does being a good loser mean he gets rated higher ? because basically in the 80s against most of the top fighters thats all he was a good loser, loses 2 out of 3 to Sugar Ray Leonard, loss to Marvin Hagler, loss to Thomas Hearns, damaging losses against only decent fighters.

I know certain situation adds to a fighters greatness, like Roberto Duran being considered shot and coming back having good wins against Davey Moore, Iran Barkley. And even against Ken Buchanan where he was the underdog, and coming back to beat Esteban De Jesus after losing.

But overall i consider him a great Lightweight and he deserves to be rated high for that, but it seems to me experts and fans rate Roberto Duran. For his fights in the 80s but IMO his record was only decent in the 80's. He lost almost all of his big fights and with a few embarrassing losses to top that off.

I think the way the topic creator tried to explain it, made a piss poor job of it. I respect Roberto Duran and he is an ATG but i don't think he justifies being rated top 6 of all time but thats just my opinion.

[hammerhiem]

Duran top 10 ATG.

Resume = SRL, Hagler, Hearn, De Jesus, Buchanan, Robertson, Barkley, Joppy

Longevity = 119 bouts from age 17 to 50

Skills = rugged more than ultra slick but carried power from 120 - 168

Accomplishments = best LW ever, Genuine world titles at 135, 147, 154, 160.
win against SRL, took SRL, Hearns 15 rounds totally out of his weight class.
KO the ring champ at LW held ring belt at LW for 9 years and beating the No1 ranked opposition 3 times.
Beat SRL for WW WBC/Ring belt
Beat the No4 LMW for the WBA title
Beat the No4 MW for the WBC in the ring fight of the year aged 38

Intangables = Inspired a generation, one of the most talked about an well known boxers of all time, fought genunine world class opposition at 7 weight divisions and fought in 13.

[Burning Desire]

Duran top 10 ATG.

Resume = SRL, De Jesus, Buchanan, Robertson, Barkley,

Longevity = 119 bouts from age 17 to 50

Skills = rugged more than ultra slick but carried power from 120 - 168

Accomplishments = best LW ever, Genuine world titles at 135, 147, 154, 160.
win against SRL, took SRL, Hearns 15 rounds totally out of his weight class.
KO the ring champ at LW held ring belt at LW for 9 years and beating the No1 ranked opposition 3 times.
Beat SRL for WW WBC/Ring belt
Beat the No4 LMW for the WBA title
Beat the No4 MW for the WBC in the ring fight of the year aged 38

Intangables = Inspired a generation, one of the most talked about an well known boxers of all time, fought genunine world class opposition at 7 weight divisions and fought in 13.

I've just corrected the resume because he didn't beat those fighters. Being a good loser doesn't automatically rate someone higher.

[MELLY-MEL...]

slap yourself

[UnDeniable]

Why does Floyd get dragged into these conversations, he has nothing to do with Duran, who has been overrated a lot but he is a great legend, worthy of top 10 all time status

[andrewcuff]

ill havt to relaly think about it... but i got u

Have you come up with your Top 25 ATG a-raines21?