Bernard Hopkins is Overrated....

[IMDAZED]

Resume IS the basis for greatness, everything else is just trimmings.

Hammer, stop it. You're letting facts and common sense get in the way of a good shock thread! Don't you know how you shake your a** is more important than who you beat??

[circleinsidebox]

Resume IS the basis for greatness, everything else is just trimmings.

ok so, roy beat him
so i guess roy is ranked higher to you?
correct?

[pblo_rl]

bernard is a great fighter but he is no legend....

bernard style is made to capatilize on 1 dimensional opponents
that come forward and lack speed and/or great reflexes
ie:felix trinidad, kelly pavlik,oscar (speed but no reflexes) ,tarver, glen johnson

those are the big names he beat of kourse....and they all have that or those factores in common....

the fighters he will always lose to are fighters
with the complete opposite, speed and great reflexes
ie: roy jones jr, joe calzaghe, jermain taylor, chad dawson (thats why he won't fight him) etc

legends, can adapt to all styles and dismantle them one day or another...
im not asking him to beat everybody, but at least beat 1 GUY that is a
stylistical nightmare for you.... if bernard could have shown me
he was capable of beating a speedy, reflex savy guy, i would give him
tremendous respect.....

and for people rating bernard over roy as far as all time status goes, it kan go both ways
but i think we kan all agree
bernard is a great fundamentally skilled smart fighter (relying totally on thinking because his athletiscm was easily matched or exceeded)

roy is or was the athletically skilled smart fighter (relied ENTIRELY on athetiscm even tho he had the BRAINS to box, he couldn't change
what he did all his life)

id give roy a slight edge in all time great status
for the simple fact that he was great at beating those
he was supposed to and those who gave him trouble
(SOUTHPAWS)

That's your opinion, I don't care about your opinion. Hopkins is not overrated and he is a legend, period.

[IMDAZED]

ok so, roy beat him
so i guess roy is ranked higher to you?
correct?

More important than who is when. Please keep that in mind.

William Joppy beat Roberto Duran. Does it make him greater?

I have Jones rated higher ATG as well. But Hopkins is by NO means overrated.

[circleinsidebox]

I'll ask again:

Roy is only slightly better in terms of ATG

How is Hopkins overrated?

forget being overrated, he isn't a legend

he couldn't adapt to certain fighters, not even ONCE

roy was able to beat and dominate his toughest challenge (southpaws)

[TheGreatA]

Hopkins lost to Jones when he was young and clearly not the boxer he later became, the losses to Taylor and Calzaghe were past 40+ years old and those decisions could've gone either way really.

Roy was knocked cold twice in his mid-30's yet Hopkins is supposedly overrated for losing split decisions as an old man. I just don't see the logic in that.

[circleinsidebox]

More important than who is when. Please keep that in mind.

William Joppy beat Roberto Duran. Does it make him greater?

I have Jones rated higher ATG as well. But Hopkins is by NO means overrated.

that's all i needed to see

[larryx]

hopkins is undefeated in his prime

[larryx]

hopkins resume>jones resume..sorry but its true

[Ryn0]

Ofcourse you can as long as the names on your resume were not shot or completely useless.

Unifying Middleweight with ALL belts, the first fighter to hold all four belts at one time

He has Trinidad, Johnson, Tarver, Oscar, Joppy, Holmes, Eastman, Vanderpool, Wright and Pavlik on his resume. Most of those were not close at all. He was the first to defeat Trinidad, Pavlik, Johnson. The first to stop Oscar, Johnson and the first to dominate Tarver.

He is a legend and a great fighter