Bernard Hopkins is Overrated....

[Skylight]

1st to stop Oscar, 1st to stop Tito, 1st to stop Jonhson, 1st to defeat Pavlik in his prime and overcoming the odds and destroying Tarver I think he is legend.

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There's no possibly about it.

this has to be the most misunderstood thread posted....
bernard is great, im not taking anything away from him
but he isn't a LEGEND

he has shown that he is not that COMPLETE of a fighter
he can't even be competitive with fast fighters with great reflexes

roy jones jr
joe calzaghe
jermain taylor
chad dawson (whom he won't fight for reasons mentioned in the intial post)

[IMDAZED]

bernard is a great fighter but he is no legend....

bernard style is made to capatilize on 1 dimensional opponents
that come forward and lack speed and/or great reflexes
ie:felix trinidad, kelly pavlik,oscar (speed but no reflexes) ,tarver, glen johnson

those are the big names he beat of kourse....and they all have that or those factores in common....

the fighters he will always lose to are fighters
with the complete opposite, speed and great reflexes
ie: roy jones jr, joe calzaghe, jermain taylor, chad dawson (thats why he won't fight him) etc

legends, can adapt to all styles and dismantle them one day or another...
im not asking him to beat everybody, but at least beat 1 GUY that is a
stylistical nightmare for you.... if bernard could have shown me
he was capable of beating a speedy, reflex savy guy, i would give him
tremendous respect.....

and for people rating bernard over roy as far as all time status goes, it kan go both ways
but i think we kan all agree
bernard is a great fundamentally skilled smart fighter (relying totally on thinking because his athletiscm was easily matched or exceeded)

roy is or was the athletically skilled smart fighter (relied ENTIRELY on athetiscm even tho he had the BRAINS to box, he couldn't change
what he did all his life)

id give roy a slight edge in all time great status
for the simple fact that he was great at beating those
he was supposed to and those who gave him trouble
(SOUTHPAWS)

You give Roy a slight edge thus...Hopkins is overrated?

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1st to stop Oscar, 1st to stop Tito, 1st to stop Jonhson, 1st to defeat Pavlik in his prime and overcoming the odds and destroying Tarver I think he is legend.

all of those fighters are the same, they are good or great no legends....
or bad stylistic matchups

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You give Roy a slight edge thus...Hopkins is overrated?

roy is a legend in boxing for his abilites, showmanship, accomplishments

[IMDAZED]

roy is a legend in boxing for his abilites, showmanship, accomplishments

Ok...and he has only a slight edge (according to you) over Hopkins. So how is Hopkins overrated?

id give roy a slight edge in all time great status

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****** thread.

hopkins has accomplished more the 99.9% of fighters out there.

And you don't think hopkins losing to calzaghe just might had something to do with his age and getting fatigued? I mean he lost a close split decision who many believe he won. You don't think if he was a few years younger and closer to his prime he would have won?

Losing to a young roy jones...wow, so embarrassing! lmao, no shame there pal.

And hopkins not fighting dawson at age 44. again, wow so embarrassing! Not only would he likely beat dawson at 44, what do you think he would have done to dawson in his prime?

So that basically cuts it down to - hopkins had problems with Roy jones. wow, what a horrible fighter!

bernard would ALWAYS have trouble with fighters
with speed and great reflexes

roy took care of the southpaws he HATED and had trouble with

bernard couldn't adjust to the greatest challenge he was up against

roy could and did

BASICALLY ROY WAS ABLE TO ELIMINATE HIS KRYPTONITE (SOUTHPAWS)
AND BERNARD COULND'T (SPEED/REFLEXES)

[hammerhiem]

roy is a legend in boxing for his abilites, showmanship, accomplishments

BHop probably has the best resume of any current boxer.

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ok...and he has only a slight edge (according to you) over hopkins. So how is hopkins overrated?

read above post

[nathan_nall]

this has to be the most misunderstood thread posted....
bernard is great, im not taking anything away from him
but he isn't a LEGEND

he has shown that he is not that COMPLETE of a fighter
he can't even be competitive with fast fighters with great reflexes

roy jones jr
joe calzaghe
jermain taylor
chad dawson (whom he won't fight for reasons mentioned in the intial post)

I think Hopkins is a legend, but I believe his status as a legend has been built over the last 5 or 6 years... previous to that he was fighting organization selected mandatories.