Wow! Paul Williams turned down 1.5 mil, for Kelly Pavlik!

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Hard to conversate with someone who makes statements like this, Im not sure if youre serious or not.

I wasn't comparing them by skill and their is more to being a well payed fighter then just being a really good boxer.

How am I not serious? Paul is a very skilled fighter but he is also a terriable draw when it comes to ticket sales. Did I fabricate the empty stadium he fought in against Verno Phillips? Did I fabricate that Half the fans that were there left after Chris Arreola fought??


If you dont bring fans to the table how in the *** can you ask for more than 1.5 million?

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If only Marg gave Williams the credit you do.

Their boxers man and it's not like Williams was beaming with praise for Quintana when he lost to him either.

If this is all about credit than call Tony an ******* but a Coward? Come on!!!!

[Bhopreign]

I wasn't comparing them by skill and their is more to being a well payed fighter then just being a really good boxer.

How am I not serious? Paul is a very skilled fighter but he is also a terriable draw when it comes to ticket sales. Did I fabricate the empty stadium he fought in against Verno Phillips? Did I fabricate that Half the fans that were there left after Chris Arreola fought??


If you dont bring fans to the table how in the *** can you ask for more than 1.5 million?

He can ask for more simply because its not a one man show, besides the purse was over 5 mil, why would he only get 1.5, thats silly. Also Rubio is Kelly's mandatory, big difference. Also Paul is a title holder, therefore he brings something to the table, Arum knew they wouldnt take the money so thats why he made it what he did, too much risk and too little reward for beating a welterweight, you win, so what Paul is a welterweight, you lose, well you lose the undisputed middleweight title, not to mention, you lost to a welterweight. Kelly and his team worked too hard to just throw everything away, believe me, if Hop would have tried to make 160 to fight Kelly instead of the catchweight, Team Pavlik would not have made the fight, with losing they knew he would still be a champ and have chips to still play with.

[Bhopreign]

Their boxers man and it's not like Williams was beaming with praise for Quintana when he lost to him either.

If this is all about credit than call Tony an ******* but a Coward? Come on!!!!

I never called him a coward, but when have you seen him ask for the fight again? Also I remember Paul giving Quintana credit, but Ive never heard Marg give Paul credit and the way him and his wife acted in the ring after the fight wasnt cool.

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He can ask for more simply because its not a one man show, besides the purse was over 5 mil, why would he only get 1.5, thats silly. Also Rubio is Kelly's mandatory, big difference.

Maybe not in the ring but when it comes to viewers it is a one man show. Kelly Pavliks fans would buy 99% of all the tickets at the venue and 90% of the people actually watching the fight would be Pavlik fans. Those are the people that generate the revenue that actually pay the fighters so what argument does Williams have for more money.

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I never called him a coward, but when have you seen him ask for the fight again? Also I remember Paul giving Quintana credit, but Ive never heard Marg give Paul credit and the way him and his wife acted in the ring after the fight wasnt cool.

What a fighter can't be disapointed? It's not like Williams won every ****ing round and the fight was really really close. Seriously if you are looking for any boxer to kiss another boxers ass then your gonna be waiting a long time. Frasier and Ali still dont give each other any kinda of credit to this very day and you want to hate on Tony because of that.

With all due respect grow the *** up.

[Bhopreign]

Maybe not in the ring but when it comes to viewers it is a one man show. Kelly Pavliks fans would buy 99% of all the tickets at the venue and 90% of the people actually watching the fight would be Pavlik fans. Those are the people that generate the revenue that actually pay the fighters so what argument does Williams have for more money.

So youre actually saying Paul Williams, a welterweight titlist should have fought for 1.5 mil and let Pavlik have the rest, which would have been 4.1 mil? As it stands right now Paul Williams can beat any welterweight that has a title right now more than likely, so why settle for such a figure, also why offer 1.5 then lower it to 1.1 unless you know you dont want the other party to take the fight, that was the intention all along. Same reason they didnt fight Winky, thats a loss too.

[Bhopreign]

What a fighter can't be disapointed? It's not like Williams won every ****ing round and the fight was really really close. Seriously if you are looking for any boxer to kiss another boxers ass then your gonna be waiting a long time. Frasier and Ali still dont give each other any kinda of credit to this very day and you want to hate on Tony because of that.

With all due respect grow the *** up.

Its not about kissing butt, but how do you expect to win a fight when you give the first 6 rounds away? When the punch stats are ridicously in the other guy's favor, the crowd didnt disagree with the verdict, Marg said it was a robbery in the post fight interview in the ring, can you believe that, nobody other than him has said such a thing, so its not about kissing butt, Marg just thought going in he would win the fight, it didnt happen so he had sour g****s.

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What dont you understand? Do you realize that 1.5 mil is insanely low against a Kelly Pavlik, especially at that time, he is undisputed middleweight champ mind you. Its the same reason 3 years ago Hatton asked for 13 million for Floyd, not that he was scared but that if youre going to fight a once in a lifetime fight you better make it worth it. Again a Pavlik fight is worth alot more than 1.5 mil. Its not about whether its his highest to date or not, but with Marquez being your idol and the insanely $30,000 he took and giving his title away to Chris John, I dont expect you to understand.

The obvious question is that you clearly don't understand that Kelly Pavlik v. Paul Williams doesn't bring in the kind of money you think it does. Neither are house hold names but in there home city. Do you think money just appears because Pavlik is "white"? Pavlik isn't much bigger in fame then Williams and Williams is a nobody in boxing terms to your casual boxing fan.

So i guess Margarito got cheated when he accepted 1.2 mil to fight Williams? Or when he got cheated and got paid 1.5 to fight Cotto?

You act like Pavlik brings in a **** load of money when in truth he doesn't. His 2nd fight with Jermain Taylor only sold 200k ppv. Thats a huge let down.

So again, get on your 24s and roll your ass out of hear, get some knowledge to your game.

[ferocity]

What dont you understand? Do you realize that 1.5 mil is insanely low against a Kelly Pavlik, especially at that time, he is undisputed middleweight champ mind you. Its the same reason 3 years ago Hatton asked for 13 million for Floyd, not that he was scared but that if youre going to fight a once in a lifetime fight you better make it worth it. Again a Pavlik fight is worth alot more than 1.5 mil. Its not about whether its his highest to date or not, but with Marquez being your idol and the insanely $30,000 he took and giving his title away to Chris John, I dont expect you to understand.

Marquez should be looked at as a warrior for taking little money and going to a challengers country instead he's looked as an idiot by you. You got your **** mixed up.