Manny Pacquiao Believes He Can Beat Antonio Margarito

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Carlisle - you're one of the more astute posters on here but I have to disagree.

Margarito has PLENTY of boxing skill. What he lacks is speed, which makes him look lumbering and oafish. But Margarito is active, jabs well, works the body, throws nice combinations, cuts off the ring like a vet, he's even fought southpaw effectively countless times. Boxing skill is not something he lacks. Speed and aesthetic beauty, yes.

Bingo, finally a voice of reason.

[MOREBASS]

Although I don't agree with Manny here.


I don't think its absurd that any fighter would have confidence in themselves beating anyone within reason.


These articles are based on little quotes, their sole purpose is to do exactly what this article has done, which is cause a commotion, and in turn garner more traffic for the site.

But I wouldn't expect anyone on Team Pacquiao to ever let this fight go through officially.

[Carlisle]

Cotto is a puncher first.. boxer second. Pacquaio is now a complete fighter. He has it all. Pacquaio has better handspeed than Cotto, better foot speed, more stamina and more skill. As much as I like Cotto.. Pacquaio is better. Pacquaio has more advantages over Margarito than Margarito has over him. Pac is a great boxer.. an ALL TIME great. Margarito is not even the best at WW right now. Its going to take more than size for Margarito to beat Pacquaio. People often misuse the term warrior.. a warrior by definition is someone who is courageous, brave, humble and gets his strength from a power greater than himself. Fight fans abroad dont yet realize what makes Pacquiao a national treasure. It's because he is a true warrior. He's going to prove that to everyone. Manny is a warrior. Not a tornado, pretty body or hitmen he is a modern day warrior.

really I have been invloved in boxing since i was 13, fought amatuer and am now 36 teaching at a local gym 3 days a week.

You THINK margarito can't box but that's not the case. he may not be on the level that DLH, Pac or Mayweather is, but that doesn't mean he can't box.

Sometimes in boxing, WILL can carry you a long way. Cotto was by far the better polished fighter, not even close, yet Marg destroyed him. Marg has an incredible chin, I don't see anyone smaller than him KO'g him.

Marg also has relentless pressure that makes good boxers retreat and change their game plan.

In the fight vs Paul Williams, he was beat by accumulation of punches, not because Paul Williams was bigger or stronger. As a matter of fact, you need to watch the fight again because Marg was actually walking him down at the end of that fight and if you looked at who took more punishment, it was Williams by far.

Margarito knocks down lead jabs very well with his own lead hand. He also is a bit akward which makes him a tough fight for anyone. He comes in great shape and can go 12 rounds easily at a very high pace.

Don't sleep on Margarito, you underestimate his will to win and the fact that he's such a big welter makes him even that more dangerous for opponents.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

maybe for him but not for me

all the credit in the world should go to Manny for executing Freddie's plan to tee. He has shown so much improvement from the time he crashed on the scene that IMO he deserves to be the #1 P4P guy in the sport

but let's not just sweep everything under the rug in regards to Oscar

he couldn't keep anything down. Not fluids not food nada. Roach even admitted to seeing fresh IV marks on Oscar so that is a true indicator of a man who cannot hydrate himself properly.

I spoke to David Avila, a well known boxing scribe, about Oscar being at weight so soon. He told me he does marathons and that it's not necessarily a bad thing to be on weight so soon BUT it will shrink his stomach AND make his body change to fit his training. From what I have been told (I work for MaxBoxing and BoxingScene as well as Everlast and Team Margarito) DLH and his fitness team (Nacho is not a part of that only thet actual boxing training) spent a lot of time focusing on stamina and running. Edwin Valero said the same thing and that the camp was a farce with very little actual boxing going on (mostly for the 24/7 cameras) so he spent it sparring with the other fighters and was basically let go with the main sparring going to Fred Tukes and Mookie Pendarvis

he prepped wrong and it showed. For people not to see that does indeed question whether they really know the sport especially when the norm is about a 5-7% weight gain after initial weigh in. Oscar gained about 1.5%.

Nailed it in long-form for those of us who knew that Oscar coming in a pound under a much smaller man was a cause for alarm, but didn't have the insight from within Oscar's camp to expound. Thank-you.

1977 is when I started taking notice of boxing, and in the following years I got deeper into it. What's that... longer than you've been alive?

Yeah, deep. Like a puddle.

[small_warrior]

why do all people think margarito will crash manny. imean ok oscar was notr at his best, but perhaps manny was too good. And all people always talk about how much bigger margarito is than oscar at welterweight but oscar fought much biggerfighter like vargas, mayorga... at juniormiddle, and margarito failled at that weightclass

[Carlisle]

Definition of a Warrior

war⋅ri⋅or
   /ˈwɔriər, ˈwɔryər, ˈwɒriər, ˈwɒryər/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [wawr-ee-er, wawr-yer, wor-ee-er, wor-yer]
1. a person engaged or experienced in warfare; soldier.
2. a person who shows or has shown great vigor, courage, or aggressiveness, as in politics or athletics.
3. Manny Pacquaio

why do all people think margarito will crash manny. imean ok oscar was notr at his best, but perhaps manny was too good. And all people always talk about how much bigger margarito is than oscar at welterweight but oscar fought much biggerfighter like vargas, mayorga... at juniormiddle, and margarito failled at that weightclass

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Bingo, finally a voice of reason.

Margarito has great offensive skills, magnificent punch variety, is fascinating to watch unloading combinations when his groove is on. The slowness is the aesthetic pleasure to me, because it resembles the inescapability of some indomitable natural element which moves at one pace but which always catches up to you --- it might appear to chase you slowly, and you can build up a headstart on it, but eventually you tire, and it doesn't, it catches and engulfs you. When Tony starts rolling that thunder, time slows down and speeds up simultaneously, the slowness is a deception. The face-first defence takes a cruel beating on here from pseud-snobs, but it's part and parcel of the style which best suits his attributes, not the sign of incompetence on Margarito's part frequently suggested. The Tornado doesn't shoulder-roll and Philly-shell, it is what it is, a force of nature.
People talk about Margarito in terms of 'predictable' this and 'typical' that, but he's much more of an uncommon specimen among come-forward pressure operators than the majority give him credit for.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Cotto is a puncher first.. boxer second. Pacquaio is now a complete fighter. He has it all. Pacquaio has better handspeed than Cotto, better foot speed, more stamina and more skill. As much as I like Cotto.. Pacquaio is better. Pacquaio has more advantages over Margarito than Margarito has over him. Pac is a great boxer.. an ALL TIME great. Margarito is not even the best at WW right now. Its going to take more than size for Margarito to beat Pacquaio. People often misuse the term warrior.. a warrior by definition is someone who is courageous, brave, humble and gets his strength from a power greater than himself. Fight fans abroad dont yet realize what makes Pacquiao a national treasure. It's because he is a true warrior. He's going to prove that to everyone. Manny is a warrior. Not a tornado, pretty body or hitmen he is a modern day warrior.

First off, I was responding to you saying Margariot would be knocked out by Williams and beaten by Pacman. I don't think it's a stretch to think Pacman could win this fight, because I think Pacman is the best fighter on the planet right now.

That wasn't my beef. My beef was that you give Margarito ZERO credit and you are underestimating him. You said he's a terrible boxer and that could be the farthest thing from the truth.What he lacks in speed and quickenss he makes up for in power, size and chin. You cannot overlook those things because you can't see them in him.

I love Pacman and have all the respect in the world for him. I don't know if he beats Margarito but i wouldn't put it past him.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Margarito has great offensive skills, magnificent punch variety, is fascinating to watch unloading combinations when his groove is on. The slowness is the aesthetic pleasure to me, because it resembles the inescapability of some indomitable natural element which moves at one pace but which always catches up to you --- it might appear to chase you slowly, and you can build up a headstart on it, but eventually you tire, and it doesn't, it catches and engulfs you. When Tony starts rolling that thunder, time slows down and speeds up simultaneously, the slowness is a deception. The face-first defence takes a cruel beating on here from pseud-snobs, but it's part and parcel of the style which best suits his attributes, not the sign of incompetence on Margarito's part frequently suggested. The Tornado doesn't shoulder-roll and Philly-shell, it is what it is, a force of nature.
People talk about Margarito in terms of 'predictable' this and 'typical' that, but he's much more of an uncommon specimen among come-forward pressure operators than the majority give him credit for.

Very good post and I will add that his CHIN is the main reason he can do these things to win fights.

[Dave Rado]

Whatever it was, it wasn't dehydration. And whatever was, it's his own ****** fault. Q: How long has the guy been in professional boxing? A: Long enough to know better than to prepare like an amateur. He can afford to put together a "dream team" of trainers and dietitians, yet none of these people told him he was going wrong in his preparation. Oscar himself said he'd never felt better and healthier. He could spar for 12 and run 10 miles with ease...

True, it's not an excuse for Oscar, but it does put the fight into perspective. Something did go wrong with Oscar's preparation, plus he had already shown in the Forbes fight that he isn't the fighter he used to be. That's not an excuse for Oscar, but it simply means we shouldn't get carried away and assume Pacquiao could beat a top welterweight in his prime. Roach has said that if Pacquiao were to fight Mayweather, they would insist on a catchweight, and wouldn't let Mayweather fight at 147, so Roach doesn't think that Manny can beat the top welterweights at 147. He may be wrong, but I'm just saying don't get the DLH fight out of proportion.

But his problem was Manny Pacquiao. He was way too fast and smart.

That statement seems to contradict your previous statement. Either you're accepting that DLH wasn't fighting at his peak (without making it an excuse for DLH) or you aren't. You seem to be trying to have it both ways here. Manny fought a great fight, but IMO, DLH definitely was a shell of the peak DLH, and not only because he was made to look bad by Manny. As I say, that's not an excuse for DLH, it just means don't get carried away by one performance. Especially as only two fights previously Manny only won narrowly against Marquez (in another great fight).