Your Greatest Of All Time Boxer?

[3_Hooks]

patterson twice, bugner 3 times, liston two times, norton three times, quarry 2 times, frazier 2 times, foreman once,

[Pretty Boy1]

patterson twice, bugner 3 times, liston two times, norton three times, quarry 2 times, frazier 2 times, foreman once,

Are you picking Ali then?

[3_Hooks]

from the fighters i know of, ali. srr seems to be the consesus though.

[Silencers]

Bugner twice.

[Chunk..]

Lennox Lewis.

Beat everyone in his era and avenged all his losses.

Dominated the Heavyweight division for years.

The most Skilled Heavyweight ever IMO.

He beats any Heavyweight of any era IMO.

The best chess player of his generation.

He ran ****!

[!! Shawn]

It's just a different skill-set. Armstrong is showing a great ability to swarm and slip shots. For instance, at the 4:23 mark, he is within punching range yet manages to slip six consecutive punches. He's getting up close and shortening his blows, particularly to the body, to do more damage. He's fighting very effective at close quarters, showing in-fighting skills. That takes more than just toughness and determination, it takes knowledge and a skill-set of a different kid. It's not what people think of when they talk about "skills" (jabbing, throwing flashy combos, dancing around the ring, etc..), but it's a difficult thing to do and requires skills as well.

Achievements are more important than skills/talent anyway.

Nobody said what he accomplished was easy, but it doesn't make him the best of all time. Any way you slice it, his skills are not up to par with other great fighter. For example, his infighting abilities don't compare to those of say a James Toney, an Evander Holyfeild, a Roberto Duran, a Bernard Hopkins or even a Rid**** Bowe.

Its not his fault, boxing was still a developing art back then. But just as you do not handycap a model-t when comparing it to modern cars, and you don't do it with fighters either.

For his times he was a very good fighter, but in the grand scheme of things he is a very primitive unsophisticated (even for his time) fighter that relined on power stamina and chin.

[Southpaw16BF]

SRR easily

the only others with any sort of solid claim are armstrong and ali, and ray is still the best

To be onest dude, i think more ''fighters have a claim than just Armstrong and Ali. Angolo Dundde and Carmon Basselio think its Willie Pep. Some Boxing Histroins claim Harry Greb.I once read in a boxing Digest that they thought Sam Langford was the best of all time. Jeff Fench thinks its Roberto Duran. And then other boxing writers/historins/fighters will probaly give a shout out to the likes of Joe Louis,Benny Leonard,Jack Johnson,Marciano,Sugar Ray Lenoard,Gene Tunney,Joe Gans etc.

So i do think alot more fighters have a claim to be the ''best of all time'' rather than just Ali and Armstrong.

[Southpaw16BF]

Nobody said what he accomplished was easy, but it doesn't make him the best of all time. Any way you slice it, his skills are not up to par with other great fighter. For example, his infighting abilities don't compare to those of say a James Toney, an Evander Holyfeild, a Roberto Duran, a Bernard Hopkins or even a Rid**** Bowe.

Its not his fault, boxing was still a developing art back then. But just as you do not handycap a model-t when comparing it to modern cars, and you don't do it with fighters either.

For his times he was a very good fighter, but in the grand scheme of things he is a very primitive unsophisticated (even for his time) fighter that relined on power stamina and chin.

Yes but they can have all the best tools in the world, but at the end of the day it mattered what they done in the ring no matter how they done it and Henry done it in pretty convincing style .Yes Henry didn't have the highest of skill bars but does that mean his legcay and achievements should be took away? He had Heart, Cardio Machine, Cast Iron chin, decent head movement, and a very high work rate.So i thinks it a bit of a silly remark. And also he may not have a high as skill as the fighters you named but he was better than all them no matter if he weren't as skilled as them he, that why all fighters are different because they all use there different tools to win.

[landmine950]

Alg?

Larry Holmes. period.