Why is Ali better than Mayweather?

[Fox McCloud]

Where do these mutants come from?????

Seriously, I'm a Floyd fan but these guys are just mouthpeaces for Floyd. It's like they think they're somehow Floyd and share his millions of dollars with him in a magic dream world.

Obviously this is why you are among the most respected Floyd fans on the board... you know the limits of what you can and can't defend about him.

[Naz Fan]

Double bind!

Either official knockdowns are key, and he was officially knocked down in the Carlos Hernandez fight, or truth counts, and his glove obviously touched in the Judah fight.

Please refrain from posting argumentation that will obviously lead you into a double bind that you just can't win!

In addition, if undefeated record is all that counts, this guy is better than Mayweather, because he has more wins:

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...5692&cat=boxer

Suck on that!

He broke his hand in the Hernandez fight you noob thats why he went down.

And an undefeated record doesnt mean **** if theres no good names on it. Floyd remains undefeated with a GREAT resume.

suck on that one.

[Vladimir303]

Double bind!

Either official knockdowns are key, and he was officially knocked down in the Carlos Hernandez fight, or truth counts, and his glove obviously touched in the Judah fight.

Please refrain from posting argumentation that will obviously lead you into a double bind that you just can't win!

In addition, if undefeated record is all that counts, this guy is better than Mayweather, because he has more wins:

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...5692&cat=boxer

Suck on that!

Wow, nice ****in find Dwiens. How did you find out about this guy or did you just accidentaly run into him going through boxrec records????

[Fox McCloud]

He broke his hand in the Hernandez fight you noob thats why he went down.

And an undefeated record doesnt mean **** if theres no good names on it. Floyd remains undefeated with a GREAT resume.

suck on that one.

I've seen all of Mayweather's fights. I used to be a ****ing idiot Mayweather cumdrinker like you, but... I wised up, and started following the sport instead of just one fighter.

I know full well he broke his hand with a hook to the forehead.

I also know that Judah obviously made his glove touch. Don't be silly.

Ali's resume >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mayweather's resume.

Wow, nice ****in find Dwiens. How did you find out about this guy or did you just accidentaly run into him going through boxrec records????

Some dude made a thread about a year ago saying "this guy will take over the lightweight divison"... it was funny as hell. I just remember his name, because his boxrec page is just so tight.

[Thoth]

Easily the worst argument possible.

You know who else is undefeated? Tom Cruise... he just hasn't fought anyone yet.

Does Tom Cruise deserve a higher place in boxing history than Muhammad Ali? Your TIGHT logic dictates as such.

Winning 2 out of 3 is the same as being 1 and 0 pretty much in my book.

Somewhere there's a group of scientologists putting that **** on a banner. And they'll believe it too.

[Naz Fan]

Lmao Dwiens has just came out the closet as a "cum guzzler" and a nuthugger apparently so his opinion is no longer valid.

[Vladimir303]

Ali was not unbeaten, because he fought everyone.


Joe Calzaghe is unbeaten like Floyd Mayweather, because they have not always fought the best and there career's have been MANAGED carefully,there is a huge difference

Great fighters dont stay undefeated.

That shouldn't always be expected. One day a great fighter willl come along and just beat everybody and he will rightfully be the greatest if his skills are just that good that he can't lose and fights within a reasonable time and a reasonable amount of fights.

However Mayweather aint it. Although Mayweather is great and has a solid resume and is in the Top 30 ATG without arguement imo. Anywhere you wanna put him in the 30 is fine with me.

[Testdead]

I know he said it a while ago but it's a popular discussion on BS atm so I'll write what I have to write:

I think people say Ali is much better because most boxing fans are simply unable to recognise a fighters greatness over fighters of the past.

I also think it's because people hate Mayweather's persona. Though the last time I checked, Mayweather wasn't the one making racist comments toward white people and trying to segregate races in America.

The reason Floyd Mayweather is p4p #1 is because he is a positive thinker. He believes himself to be the best and has strived to maintain that title which most people who sit on their asses all day bashing fighters wouldn't understand.

I think based on his performances, Mayweather is completely in the right to call himself the greatest of all time. Do I think he is? Not yet. Not until he has proved himself against some of those names still out there for him. Though I still think he has done enough to claim that he is.

Peace

I think your nuts.

[Fox McCloud]

Lmao Dwiens has just came out the closet as a "cum guzzler" and a nuthugger apparently so his opinion is no longer valid.

Oh ****... he finally brought out the big guns of argumentation on me...

Lifeline?

[Vladimir303]

Some dude made a thread about a year ago saying "this guy will take over the lightweight divison"... it was funny as hell. I just remember his name, because his boxrec page is just so tight.

Well they need to offer this guy some cash and bring him out of retirement in a ultimate showdown between unbeaten fighters against Chavez Jr. This guy hasn't made any real coin fighting in Brazil. Let him cash in on his unbeaten record. The whole Brazil vs Mexico angle will sell the PPV. < Believe that.