Has Joe's reputation got worse or better since the Jones fight ?

[bsrizpac]

Actually, I was having fun with Calzaghe's reputation around these parts as a harmless slapper after the Hopkins fight.

My prediction on Calzaghe/Jones from way back.


http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...=178317&page=3


"It would be foolish to completely count out Roy Jones but you'd have to be a bigger fool to actually favor him against Calzaghe at this point. Jones won't pull a Bika or Hopkins, he'll try to fight it out and eat lots of shots as a result. I don't think Jones will get knocked out though, maybe a late stoppage at the most. At any rate, Calzaghe by UD.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=ms2Zo86NDaY

Jones last fight against a pressure fighter with a pulse."

Of course Calzaghe was a favorite but lets not pretend Roy was universally given no chance to even make a fight of it . People in this thread are making the fight out to be a bigger farce than Berbick/Ali which is just extreme, it isn't even Ali/Holmes.

Still, I do give Joe credit for this win while Jones shouldn't get a free pass for losing. Him and Calzaghe are from the same class/generation of fighters; one just took better care of himself and stayed hungry. Jones dwindling motivation and increasing lack of confidence after the Johnson knockout has been a bigger factor in his decline than weight jumping or other health reasons. There's a reason Tarver did better in the rematches rather than immediately after Jones dropped back down in weight.

I never gave Roy a chance. Nor does Joe get any credit for beating him. Losers

[Haglerwins]

It's not even relevant if you happened to give Roy a chance against Joe. The rumormill and hope factor may win some hearts but it don't mean **** to what you witness on fight night, and what we all saw was a dead man in the ring who removed all doubt that he was shot to us in denial. He still has some power, but almost nothing else. Even Jones' handspeed has significantly diminished. The exclamation point was put on the fight for me when Jones throws one of his snappy shots at Joe and he avoids it with his agility and smiles back at grandpa Jones as if to say "too slow old man". Roy even spends a good portion of the fight just trying to get in position to land a big punch, but is too slow to do it and concedes that he can't catch Cal in his corner late in the fight. Hopkins is even faster than him now, and does everything better at 43. How's that? Superman Roy is older than the old man. This is only possible if you've aged in dog years. How could that have happened?

It's not just Roy's confidence that's gone Thunder.

[BadNewz]

I don't see how Calzaghe's reputation could have gotten worse, seeing as how every serious boxing fan already knew how pathetically awful he is.

[Abstraction]

I don't see how Calzaghe's reputation could have gotten worse, seeing as how every serious boxing fan already knew how pathetically awful he is.

lol, yes, indeed.

[Thunder Lips]

It's not even relevant if you happened to give Roy a chance against Joe. The rumormill and hope factor may win some hearts but it don't mean **** to what you witness on fight night, and what we all saw was a dead man in the ring who removed all doubt that he was shot to us in denial. He still has some power, but almost nothing else. Even Jones' handspeed has significantly diminished. The exclamation point was put on the fight for me when Jones throws one of his snappy shots at Joe and he avoids it with his agility and smiles back at grandpa Jones as if to say "too slow old man". Roy even spends a good portion of the fight just trying to get in position to land a big punch, but is too slow to do it and concedes that he can't catch Cal in his corner late in the fight. Hopkins is even faster than him now, and does everything better at 43. How's that? Superman Roy is older than the old man. This is only possible if you've aged in dog years. How could that have happened?

It's not just Roy's confidence that's gone Thunder.

http://www.compuboxonline.com/notes/jones_notes.shtml

Moving up in weight did slow Jones down no doubt though his power punching accuracy stayed strong considering the competition. However, we see a much more alarming drop in his punching output after suffering a flash knockout against the very good and big Tarver. Hmmmm, why does he look so reluctant against Johnson a few months later and against Tarver in their rubber match? Could his confidence have took a huge blow after his first loss in such shocking fashion? Nah, he just aged a decade after the first Tarver fight because of the weight he lost after the Ruiz match or reasons unexplained...eh.

Don't kid yourself, Calzaghe's speed had alot to do with Jones looking so slow.

Watch these videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5yR5lwL_y0

Hopkins/Pavlik

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6MHoYQyakU

Jones/Trinidad.

Seriously, you think Hopkins is faster right now? Hopkins is simply a much, much, smarter more complete fighter, but he isn't even faster than Roy now. To be blunt get the F**K out of here with a bull**** comment like that.

[Trim0]

MUCH better, Joe embarrassed a legend.

[WLAD_OWNS]

Calzaghe's reputation has gotten much better

He came to America and beat and humuliated 2 American legends (Roy Jones and Hopkins)