Has Joe's reputation got worse or better since the Jones fight ?

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Not to mention the absolutely dejected expression on Joe's face before the decision was announced and Enzo's belief Joe needed a rally to win near the end. Yup, no way Hopkins can win....

I'm not too sure about that. In fact, you might be blowing things up slightly out of proportion. Reason why I say this is because I think Joe was told the outcome of the fight before it was officially announced. Keep an eye on Frank Warren after the fight. He's walking around in the ring and he walked up to Calzaghe and says something that sounds like "they're gonna give you the decision" or something like that. Calzaghe asks him to repeat what he said, and Warren does.

Hey, I could be completely wrong, but it looks like that's what was said. I'll happily be corrected on this, though!

On the other hand, I have various theories. LOL. Like the Jones knockdown? Something seems wrong with it. I think it could have been faked. I have various reasons to be su****ious. If I'm right, and there's no way to find out, then it was a smart move by Calzaghe.



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"Boxing odds may not agree, but the elder fighter is the smart Jones Jr. vs Calzaghe pick. If last week’s Pavlik-Hopkins bout was any indication, aggressive fighters moving up a weight class are very susceptible to more powerful counter-punchers.

Despite their age, Roy Jones Jr. and his generation of boxers that dominated the 1990s are by-and-large, superior to the current crop of contenders. Calzaghe has fought one noteworthy fighter in compiling his flawless record—Hopkins—but Jones Jr. won’t make it quite as easy on him this time. Bet on Roy Jones Jr."

This is actually a pretty fair take on the fight looking back. Calzaghe was expected to win but there were certainly doubts from more than just hardcore Roy fanboys. I don't think anybody can say they saw this coming from the Slapper:

Yeah, because writing as if Hopkins-Pavlik and Calzaghe-Jones Jr. were comparable match-ups is a great example of why I make betonline.com my first stop for A class breakdowns of upcoming fights.

People who knew what was up --- including the few realistic Roy fans and the more astute longtime Calzaghe supporters here (!! Anorak, myself, maybe a few others) --- knew that Last Man Standing was a pisstake in any competetive sense, and as such found it hard to generate an excess of enthusiasm for the fight on pure boxing terms. As a sports spectacle it was compelling, but the outcome was never going to be anything but a Calzaghe domination. The pre-fight hopes and dreams of a few Royboys and lazy analysis of some pundits who probably never even watched Joe box that closely is of no consequence.

[CaRnAgEViOLaToR]

I believe it got worse, you pretty much nailed it on the head.

Also I think the showboating didn't do him any favors, either.

people exaggerate the beating joe gave to jones. it wasn't bad at all. a bad beating is hopkins did to pavlik or pac did to de la hoya, where tons of clean punches landed.

to me joe outworked roy with his ****ing slaps which look amateurish. truth is alot of those slaps landed on roy jones forearms. not once was jones ever hurt. i think one round where joe did beat roy up kinda was 7...thats where he cut jones. but aside from that...not that bad of a beating at all. in fact, i gave jones 3 rounds.

i think joe, wiggled his ****ing ass more than he landed big clean punches.

[CaRnAgEViOLaToR]

Exactly, Did Larry Holmes do it against Ali, did Rocky Marciano do it against Joe Louis? No they showed class and respect for an aged great. Especially one who is pissing of blood! Joe is a ****! He just looks LAME and AWKWARD when he does his showboating, it dont suit em at all!

Id like to put that prick in the ring with My 10 and a half stone BullMastiff Tito!!!

lol he kinda does. maybe because his style resembles carlos maussas.

[stefjonno1]

believe it or not in america..only hardcore fans know who joe is..and most probally dont think very highly of him anyway..

Belive it or not only boxing fans in the uk know who Roy jones is, joe public certainly dont. To say only hardcore boxing fans know who Joe calzaghe is in the states has to be drivel, if not the casual fight fans are hardly fight fans.

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people exaggerate the beating joe gave to jones. it wasn't bad at all. a bad beating is hopkins did to pavlik or pac did to de la hoya, where tons of clean punches landed.

to me joe outworked roy with his ****ing slaps which look amateurish. truth is alot of those slaps landed on roy jones forearms. not once was jones ever hurt. i think one round where joe did beat roy up kinda was 7...thats where he cut jones. but aside from that...not that bad of a beating at all. in fact, i gave jones 3 rounds.

i think joe, wiggled his ****ing ass more than he landed big clean punches.

It's funny how everytime Joe tried dancing to Hopkins, he got a right hand straight to the head.

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But you can't forget this...
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[TheGreatA]

This is actually a pretty fair take on the fight looking back. Calzaghe was expected to win but there were certainly doubts from more than just hardcore Roy fanboys. I don't think anybody can say they saw this coming from the Slapper:

I thought Joe would get knocked down (because of his bad habit of running into right hands early on), get back up and beat down Roy who has no legs, diminished stamina and reflexes for the rest of the fight.

I'm a big Glen Johnson fan but whatever Johnson could do, Calzaghe can surely do as well (except for finishing Roy I guess). Jones had not proven anything to me by beating an overweight Trinidad, Hanshaw who was handled easily by Dirrell and Prince Badi Ajamu.

[bsrizpac]

**** tua, that fat ****** with his padded resume and his best win is against hasim rahman. What a fat tard tua is

Calzaghe fans continue to show why they are the biggest ****licking ******s to ever grace boxing.

It's like a Jim Jones style cult. Keep drinking that Kool Aid morons.

[bsrizpac]

It's funny how everytime Joe tried dancing to Hopkins, he got a right hand straight to the head.

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But you can't forget this...
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Calzaghe's style looks like someone having seizures whilst trying to take it up the ass the same time. Just embarrassing.

[Thunder Lips]

I thought Joe would get knocked down (because of his bad habit of running into right hands early on), get back up and beat down Roy who has no legs, diminished stamina and reflexes for the rest of the fight.

I'm a big Glen Johnson fan but whatever Johnson could do, Calzaghe can surely do as well (except for finishing Roy I guess). Jones had not proven anything to me by beating an overweight Trinidad, Hanshaw who was handled easily by Dirrell and Prince Badi Ajamu.

Actually, I was having fun with Calzaghe's reputation around these parts as a harmless slapper after the Hopkins fight.

My prediction on Calzaghe/Jones from way back.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178317&page=3

"It would be foolish to completely count out Roy Jones but you'd have to be a bigger fool to actually favor him against Calzaghe at this point. Jones won't pull a Bika or Hopkins, he'll try to fight it out and eat lots of shots as a result. I don't think Jones will get knocked out though, maybe a late stoppage at the most. At any rate, Calzaghe by UD.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ms2Zo86NDaY

Jones last fight against a pressure fighter with a pulse."

Of course Calzaghe was a favorite but lets not pretend Roy was universally given no chance to even make a fight of it . People in this thread are making the fight out to be a bigger farce than Berbick/Ali which is just extreme, it isn't even Ali/Holmes.

Still, I do give Joe credit for this win while Jones shouldn't get a free pass for losing. Him and Calzaghe are from the same class/generation of fighters; one just took better care of himself and stayed hungry. Jones dwindling motivation and increasing lack of confidence after the Johnson knockout has been a bigger factor in his decline than weight jumping or other health reasons. There's a reason Tarver did better in the rematches rather than immediately after Jones dropped back down in weight.