Has Joe's reputation got worse or better since the Jones fight ?

[Chunk..]

Joe made a rod for his own back by sticking around with Frank Warren for so long. I've been playing that tune for a long time now every time someone questions Calzaghe's legacy, but it's so true.

He was Frank Warren's lapdog and he simply didn't have the bollocks to tell him were to go.

There's loyalty, but then there's being mugged off!

Joe was being mugged off by Frank Warren for years.

[Kris Silver]

Most people are answering subjectively, based on what they personally think, no their take on the majority of people.

I think it slightly improved as he looked a lot better at the weight, like the genuine LHW #1, was able to really show some skills with a guy wanting to fight, his speed, combinations and actually occasional goodish power. Also it was a win against a big name whom though past it, is not as past it as if often made out just as was the case with Hopkins.

Somewhat understandably however a lot do think it suffered, because mostly imo Jones is an endeared legend whom Calzaghe beat, and show boated against. That's understandable to an extent but I do think it goes to far. In reality fights with past prime fighters happen all the time, and so does show boating. So I think there's a lot of double standards on this, especially when you consider Jones hardly fought stellar competition all the time and often show boated himself for one.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Also it was a win against a big name whom though past it, is not as past it as if often made out just as was the case with Hopkins..

Nah, Kris. Spin aside, Roy is way farther gone than Hop, being that Hop isn't actually gone...as in, he can be a competetive threat on that level. Roy is gone...as in, never a threat to Joe in his '08 state (forearm in the face KD notwithstanding).

[Kris Silver]

Nah, Kris. Spin aside, Roy is way farther gone than Hop, being that Hop isn't actually gone...as in, he can be a competetive threat on that level. Roy is gone...as in, never a threat to Joe in his '08 state (forearm in the face KD notwithstanding).

I agree, never said otherwise.

I merely said, Jones is not as past it as is made out with him. The same was true of Hopkins, but yes I accept it he wasn't written off as badly and is much less past prime. But both had past prime, exaggerated by a lot of people. Hopkins proved it even though he already had several times recently before Calzaghe, how can that be answered? Jones got some ok wins, and even now on the forums is being pitched as competitive against someone like Taylor. Now that doesn't sit with the "way way past prime and shot" as was mostly said of him the past year.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

But both had past prime, exaggerated by a lot of people.

How is Roy's deterioration exaggerated? Any notion of Roy having a fair crack at beating Joe was utterly wishful. Any non-fanboys from either side who called it with their heads and actually knew what they were talking about saw Roy being dominated with impunity. Joe was able to jerk off in the fight and still dominate with no fear of a reprisal for being so cavalier, that's how gone Roy was. 'Prime' is a misleading, deceptive term in the case of Hopkins, whose artistry and study has allowed him to protract his 'prime' beyond the physical. In Roy's case, it's a wholly relevant term. Jones Jr. was fucked when he fought Joe, not a live threat at all. Any chance Roy had was a negligible sliver, and any other perspective is dishonesty or cluelessness.

[Dynamite Kid]

Joe made a rod for his own back by sticking around with Frank Warren for so long. I've been playing that tune for a long time now every time someone questions Calzaghe's legacy, but it's so true.

He was Frank Warren's lapdog and he simply didn't have the bollocks to tell him were to go.

There's loyalty, but then there's being mugged off!

Joe was being mugged off by Frank Warren for years.

The Truth

Nice one Chunk

[Haglerwins]

LOL at Roy only being 3 years older than Joe. Jones has aged in boxing in DOG YEARS for screwing with his weight '03. Not to mention the mileage on his body from moving up in weight throughout his career. The toll on his body from losing muscle was so much so Jr. admitted that it would've been wise to take 2-3 years off to adjust to coming back down from HW to LHW. What's Joe got? He's been relaxed at home fighting in his backyard. He hasn't put his body through the wringer like that.

LOL at the Cal lovers on the board swearing up and down that Hopkins beating Joe is only plausible because haters deem it so when you have news orgs like ESPN the AP and 1 of 3 judges giving him the fight as well... but I know, it's all in our minds! Not to mention the absolutely dejected expression on Joe's face before the decision was announced and Enzo's belief Joe needed a rally to win near the end. Yup, no way Hopkins can win...

Let's start looking at things objectively and not being biased you know whats. It's been made clear we have two schools of thought when looking at the outcome of a close fight in boxing. You have those who will give it to the aggressive, high output fighter, and those who will give it to the accurate, but low output fighter. It's the same reason you had people at the arena for the Winky/Sam Soliman fight claiming robbery at the end! lol

It's not unfathomable to see the guy who didn't punch a lot get the nod, when he lands the punches worth a damn despite seeing action at a rate of 3:1 against him. Let's stop pretending these things don't happen in boxing.

[daggum]

jones and calzaghe were both shot so it was a fair fight. right krissilver?

[Thunder Lips]

http://www.betonline.com/betting-edg...-odds-557.aspx

"Boxing odds may not agree, but the elder fighter is the smart Jones Jr. vs Calzaghe pick. If last week’s Pavlik-Hopkins bout was any indication, aggressive fighters moving up a weight class are very susceptible to more powerful counter-punchers.

Despite their age, Roy Jones Jr. and his generation of boxers that dominated the 1990s are by-and-large, superior to the current crop of contenders. Calzaghe has fought one noteworthy fighter in compiling his flawless record—Hopkins—but Jones Jr. won’t make it quite as easy on him this time. Bet on Roy Jones Jr."

This is actually a pretty fair take on the fight looking back. Calzaghe was expected to win but there were certainly doubts from more than just hardcore Roy fanboys. I don't think anybody can say they saw this coming from the Slapper:

[lee majors]

I call bull****...........

Nope, That man speaks the truth.