Why do Duran fans hate Mayweather jr so much

[Brandish]

Well, where are guys like Jofre, Pep, B. Leonard etc? You know that Benny Leonard's resume utterl;y ****s on just about every single one of the fighters you have in that list? Seriously.

Go have a look at who he beat and for how long and tell me he isn't ten times the fighters of most of the guys on that list. I mean, you have Pryor ahead of Benny Leonard? That is why people think you are an idiot racist fool with no brain.

you haven't presented any facts,,,post beeny's record in championship fights and number of title defenses same for pep. just fighting 200 fights doesn't constitute greatness of the 200 fighters benny leoanrd fought how many are in the HOF, how great was his compeition..

and benny leoanrd ****ting on any fighter in my list is a joke, put up or shut up. post his career accomplishments.

nobody ****s on marvin hagler, floyd mayweather, muhammd ali, sugar ray robinson, henryarmstron, larry holmes, or ray leonard..

[Brandish]

He criticizes Duran for not being great above 135-147 against prime Hearns, Hagler, Benitez, but the first time Pryor stepped out of the LWW weight class (at age 31), he was stopped by a journeyman named Bobby Joe Young and actually quit in that fight.

Yet Duran is supposedly still in his prime at 33 years of age as a light middleweight.

duran could have been great but he lost too many big fights..pryor i admit is a bit high I will more than likely drop him and put ezzard charles there.

[Brandish]

You know why most good defensive fighters are counters punchers right? Because they can't fight defensively, as Duran could, while being on the offensive. It's ten thousand times harder because you're left open so much more which means your defense has to be a whole lot better than if you're just hanging back waiting for the other guy to lead. Very impressive if you've actually fought and realise how hard it is to do what he did.

whatever duran did in the ring didn't translate into success against the best of his era..you typed all of that and didn't realize duran was 1-5 aganst the top fighters of his era. dejesus is nothing compared to hagler, heran, benitez, kirkland laing, or ray leonard.

wy wasn;t duran successfull against better fighters..don't worry I'll wait

[BennyST]

how many are in the HOF, how great was his compeition.

Benny Leonard was not only one of the greatest lightweights of all time, he was one of history’s greatest pound for pound fighters. Benny, a ***ish boxer born Benjamin Leiner, turned pro at age 15. He won the World Lightweight Championship at age 21 and held it for nearly 7 years between 1917-1925 when he retired unbeaten as champion while at the peak of his power. His official record is 85-5-1 121 No Decisions with 69 knockouts. His record with newspaper verdicts, according to one source, is 180-21-6-6ND 69 Ko’s


His competition reads like a who’s who of the great fighters of the teens and twenties including; Johnny Dundee (Featherweight champion 1922-1923, 1923-1924 and Jr. Lightweight champion 1921-1923 and 1923-1924), the great rope fighter whom he met 8 times; Freddie Welsh (Lightweight champion 1914-1916) from whom he won the title, clever former champion Willie Ritchie (lightweight champion 1912-1914), Johnny Kilbane (Featherweight Champion 1912-1923), hard hitting Rocky Kansas (Lightweight champion 1925-1926) and the great southpaw Lew Tendler who is considered one of the best fighters to have never won a title. Leonard also defeated top lightweight contenders such as Ritchie Mitchell, Patsy Cline, Joe Welling and left hook artist Charley White.

He also beat the welterweight greats Ted 'Kid' Lewis and Jack Britton. Unfortunately he was disqualified while well ahead on the cards and right after he had knocked Britton down because he hit him again when he was on the floor in the thirteenth round.

Ray Arcel, one of the greatest trainers of all time, concurs on Leonard’s ability to out-think his opponent’s, Peter Heller's In The Corner, “Boxing is brains over brawn. I don’t care how much ability you got, if you can’t think your just another bum in the park. People ask me who’s the greatest boxer I ever saw pound for pound. I hesitate to say, either Benny Leonard or Ray Robinson. But Leonard’s mental energy surpassed anyone else’s.”



You're a moron.

[BennyST]

I forgot Greb? Where is Greb in your list? How can you have Hopkins above the Greb? Greb, quite literally, has possibly the greatest record of any fighter along with Robinson's. It probably equals Robinson's in greatness you know?

We'll wait while you go and check it out.

Don't worry mate, I'll do it for you.

“Greb may have been the greatest fighter, pound-for-pound, who ever lived. Certainly, he was among the top 2 or 3. He combined the speed of Ray Robinson, the durability of Jim Jeffries, the stamina of Henry Armstrong, and the unbridled ferocity of Stanley Ketchel with a will to win unsurpassed in the annals of sport. At his peak, he was unbeatable, defeating virtually every middleweight, light heavyweight and heavyweight of his generation. A great, great fighter.”

Greb’s record is virtually unbelievable. How many fighters can claim to have a record like that of Harry Greb? He defeated 18 men who held, had held, or would hold world championships, and this at a time when there were only 8 divisions in boxing and one champion in each division. The 5 middleweight champions that Greb defeated were Mike O’Dowd, George Chip, Al McCoy, Mickey Walker, Tiger Flowers and Johnny Wilson from whom he won the title. He also defeated 4 middleweight title claimants Eddie McGoorty, Frank Mantell, Jeff Smith and Bryan Downey. Greb defeated 7 light heavyweight world champions, Mike McTigue, Jack Dillon, Battling Levinsky, Tommy Loughran, Jimmy Slattery and Maxie Rosenbloom and one future world heavyweight champion, Gene Tunney whom he fought five times. Count ‘em! 5+4+7+1=18 champions who lost to Greb. Remarkable!

The fact he beat heavyweight legend Gene Tunny is enough to put him above Hopkins itself. The only loss of Tunney's great, great career and it was to the middleweight champion. ****s on Jones beating Ruiz.

[Speecha]

I think if there is any arguement between the 2 i would say its the conflict of styles. Duran seem 2 have a more aggresive style and was seen as more of a warrior with one of his main attributes being his strength (hands of stone), he fought hearns, hagler and more importantly leonard 3 times. He fought the best of the best of his generation so i think he garnered fans for his will to fight and aggressive style. This conflicts how mayweather is/was in terms of the way he fought (master in defensive and careful boxing). With mayweather often being criticised for ducking potential opponents and cherry picking his fights (fought baldimoir rather thn margarito, fought hatton rather than pursuing cotto). They are both great but great in such contrasting ways...

[Brandish]

He won the World Lightweight Championship at age 21 and held it for nearly 7 years between 1917-1925 when he retired unbeaten as champion while at the peak of his power. His official record is 85-5-1 121 No Decisions with 69 knockouts. His record with newspaper verdicts, according to one source, is 180-21-6-6ND 69 Ko’s

so he was champ for 7 years.. larry homes was champ for 9 years, floyd was champ for 10. nothing benny leonard did surpassed what floyd did in his career.

the only moron is someone who beleives what others say without research.

floyd retired unbeaten as champ of 5 weight clases nothing you posted about benny impresses me nor ****s on any fighter in my list.

you do realize aaron pryor like benny leonard held his title for 7 years between 1980-1987 and retired 39-1 and is recognized as the greatest lightwelterweight champion of all time. try again junior.

[BennyST]

so he was champ for 7 years.. larry homes was champ for 9 years, floyd was champ for 10. nothing benny leonard did surpassed what floyd did in his career.

the only moron is someone who beleives what others say without research.

floyd retired unbeaten as champ of 5 weight clases nothing you posted about benny impresses me nor ****s on any fighter in my list.

you do realize aaron pryor like benny leonard held his title for 7 years between 1980-1987 and retired 39-1 and is recognized as the greatest lightwelterweight champion of all time. try again junior.

Ok Brandish, you win.

[Brandish]

The fact he beat heavyweight legend Gene Tunny is enough to put him above Hopkins itself. The only loss of Tunney's great, great career and it was to the middleweight champion. ****s on Jones beating Ruiz.

gene tunnry is not that great he definitiey wasn't greater then joe luis.

and how many titles did harry greb win, and how long did he reign as champion.

roy has defeated 22 former champions as well and went undefeated for 15 years..what was greb's record..you post a lot of hyperbole sensationalism,. I just want to see his stats

[Brandish]

I think if there is any arguement between the 2 i would say its the conflict of styles. Duran seem 2 have a more aggresive style and was seen as more of a warrior with one of his main attributes being his strength (hands of stone), he fought hearns, hagler and more importantly leonard 3 times. He fought the best of the best of his generation so i think he garnered fans for his will to fight and aggressive style. This conflicts how mayweather is/was in terms of the way he fought (master in defensive and careful boxing). With mayweather often being criticised for ducking potential opponents and cherry picking his fights (fought baldimoir rather thn margarito, fought hatton rather than pursuing cotto). They are both great but great in such contrasting ways...

duran ducked pryor and fought an old palomino instead, and he ducked michael nunn and fought iran barkely instead...any one can mke these arguments. what matters is the fights. floyd fought who he nedded to fight.

no one expected duran to clean out 160 his fourth weight class so why are people clamining floyd ducked fighters in his fourth weight class. it doesn't make sense