Yet Another Thing Wrong With Boxing

[!! Shawn]

The way different fighters are given different treatment on their way up to the top.

3 examples:

Antonio Margarito/Bernard Hopkins/Juan Manuel Marquez - Guys who lost at the beginning of their careers, and had to beat a lot of good people to dig their way back up to their title shot. This is the way it always should be. You should have to beat good fighters in order to get your title shot. People with the resume of Andre Berto should not have a world title.

Kelly Pavlik/Andre Berto/Ricky Hatton - Somewhat unknown when they started, but caught fire with their flashy undefeated records, and were able to skip some steps on the way up to their world title runs. Although Pavlik did not skip his step, when he fought Edison Miranda, he probably could have.

Jermain Taylor/Floyd Mayweather Jr./Roy Jones Jr. - Generally former Olympians, the most hyped of all fighters. These guys get to do whatever they want, whenever they want. They can have as many or as few fights before they choose to step up and fight whatever champion they want. They are a draw because the networks make them so, so they bypass hardworking fighters like Margarito and Marquez on their way to the title, even though they have not fought anyone as good as the guys who had to dig their way up from the bottom.

Rankings should be based on resume 100% rather than ranking.

Your kidding me. Pavlik was put in there as an opponent for Miranda, he couldn't have skipped ****.

[Fox McCloud]

Your kidding me. Pavlik was put in there as an opponent for Miranda, he couldn't have skipped ****.

Undefeated, excited champion.

Don't kid yourself. He was hyped, but not in the same way as a Taylor was when he was on his way up.

It wouldn't have been too many more okay fighters before he got a title shot.

[Bhopreign]

Undefeated, excited champion.

Don't kid yourself. He was hyped, but not in the same way as a Taylor was when he was on his way up.

It wouldn't have been too many more okay fighters before he got a title shot.

So really what are you saying, are you saying Pavlik shouldnt have gotten the fight with Taylor? What exactly are you saying.

[Vladimir303]

I think Dwien swam out too far into the Ocean, he is sinking.

[!! Shawn]

So really what are you saying, are you saying Pavlik shouldnt have gotten the fight with Taylor? What exactly are you saying.

Hes saying Pavlik was hyped before the Miranda fight when he wasn't.

Lets remember. Who was it that had like the 15 minute introductory documentary about them before the fight?

Was it Pavlik or was it Miranda?

Pavlik was put in there as a showcase fight to line Miranda up for a shot at Taylor.

[Fox McCloud]

So really what are you saying, are you saying Pavlik shouldnt have gotten the fight with Taylor? What exactly are you saying.

I'm saying Pavlik did what everyone should. He fought another young contender to separate himself. It is not often that fights like that happen before they both get a title shot.

I was saying that a young, undefeated, excited Ameican, could have fought a few more Zertuches and Zunigas, and eventually worked his way up to a title shot. It might have been against Sturm or Abraham, but... he would have gotten one. His level of hype meant that he had to beat a few good people in order to get a title shot.

No, there is no way that I can say anything bad about the path Pavlik has taken in his career.

I think Dwien swam out too far into the Ocean, he is sinking.

Lol, blow me Vlad.

Hes saying Pavlik was hyped before the Miranda fight when he wasn't.

Lets remember. Who was it that had like the 15 minute introductory documentary about them before the fight?

Was it Pavlik or was it Miranda?

Pavlik was put in there as a showcase fight to line Miranda up for a shot at Taylor.

Miranda had more hype. No one is dis*****g that. I was there.

Are you seriously saying that Pavlik had no title shot in front of him had he not fought Miranda continued to fight the Zunigas and Zertuches of the division?

If so, I respectfully disagree.

[Vladimir303]

I'm saying Pavlik did what everyone should. He fought another young contender to separate himself. It is not often that fights like that happen before they both get a title shot.

I was saying that a young, undefeated, excited Ameican, could have fought a few more Zertuches and Zunigas, and eventually worked his way up to a title shot. It might have been against Sturm or Abraham, but... he would have gotten one. His level of hype meant that he had to beat a few good people in order to get a title shot.

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But fighters used to do that frequently in the old days, AND YOU KNOW WHY?

No sanctioning bodies. There was only one champion and he wasn't forced to defend his title within a time frame or be stripped of his hardware. The Cinderella man Braddock won his heavyweight title and didn't defend it for 2 years, sitting on top.

Top contenders had no choice but to fight each other to make money and position themselfs as much as possible to be next in line for a shot. Today you have 4 world titles, meaning 4 different rankin systems. Every title has their top 10 contenders.

Of course somebody is gonna get a title shot when he doesn't deserve it. Berto never got a shot at the real champ Margarito, unstead he saw opportunity and took a vacant belt. Miguel Cotto took a vacant WBO 140 belt and a 147 belt. THAT'S JUST HOW IT GOES.

Meanwhile my boy Green has been a Ring Magazine Top 10 Supper-middleweight for years now and can't get a eliminator or a title shot. That's a travesty. I GOES BOTH WAYS.

[stickandmove12]

DWiens I agree with you 100%. I may get bashed for it, but now a days fighters who haven't fought the best competition just seem to get to choose to fight for title fights or their managers find some scheme to get them the most money. It's all about the $$$$$$$$$$ these days and promoters find any way to get it so the deserving people get skipped if they don't have a name the general public knows. It seems like the same fighters keep fighting each other.

[Fox McCloud]

But fighters used to do that frequently in the old days, AND YOU KNOW WHY?

No sanctioning bodies. There was only one champion and he wasn't forced to defend his title within a time frame or be stripped of his hardware. The Cinderella man Braddock won his heavyweight title and didn't defend it for 2 years, sitting on top.

Top contenders had no choice but to fight each other to make money and position themselfs as much as possible to be next in line for a shot. Today you have 4 world titles, meaning 4 different rankin systems. Every title has their top 10 contenders.

Of course somebody is gonna get a title shot when he doesn't deserve it. Berto never got a shot at the real champ Margarito, unstead he saw opportunity and took a vacant belt. Miguel Cotto took a vacant WBO 140 belt and a 147 belt. THAT'S JUST HOW IT GOES.

Meanwhile my boy Green has been a Ring Magazine Top 10 Supper-middleweight for years now and can't get a eliminator or a title shot. That's a travesty. I GOES BOTH WAYS.

Well obviously I am against the 4 sanctioning bodies. We need one title, with a mandatory system that really makes a fighter earn their mandatory position. It should be easy to do, since they are all after just one title.

But that topic has been beaten to death. I have been thinking about how lame the whole prospect system is... fighters like Courtney Burton getting super hyped, and then getting robbery decisions over Augustus in order to keep that dream alive, etc.

It's all one big ugly circle.

I wish Allan Green would get his chance. I like him, but I don't think he will be able to win a title. I do want him to get the chance though. He is a pretty good fighter, but just can't seem to get a break, for whatever reason.

I really wish he would have been able to ice Miranda... that would have been tight.

[Bhopreign]

I picked Pavlik to win by knockout in the 7th for the Miranda fight and it happened, I was never sold on Miranda. Anyway I think Pavlik's path was what fighters should go thru, dont see it happen too often. Handlers are afraid their guy will lose on the way to a title fight if they do it that way. Pavlik had some promise though, if not he wouldnt have been on ESPN in his early days, having Arum promoting you doesnt hurt either.