POLL: Joe Calzaghe vs Chad Dawson

[The Gunner]

It had nothing to do with what he was being told because he was using the jab and staying on the outside, it's just that Johnson fought a great fight. There is a reason why Dawson looked like **** against Johnson and looked great against Tarver. Eddie Mustafa and Floyd Mayweather Sr. have different training methods. Mayweather Sr. has intense workouts, very strict, likes to have his fighters work on the jab and defense, and Dawson during that time had defensive problems. The switch from Mayweathe Sr. to Mustafa hindered his defensive development.

As for Hopkins, Dawson is younger and getting better he will beat the **** out of Nard. Nard has problems with fighters that have volume and speed, like Taylor. Dawson is a much better fighter than Taylor.

I dont buy that for a second considering he was only with Floyd breifly. A quote from Floyd "Chads a ******, he cant follow simple instructions".

Floyds got a point. His trainor told him to stay outside and box but he didn't have a clue how to deal with the pressure and do that. It doesn't matter who's trained him because when you're a suposedly "briliant" fighter and you're being told to box you should be able to do that.

I wouldn't say Johnson fought a GREAT fight. Johnson was Johnson doing his thing like he usualy does.

Regarding Taylor and Hopkins...It was Taylors athletism that caused Nard the problems not the speed. Hopkins wasn't out of place with a prime RJ when he was green and now he's pretty much at his best.

Dawson would be a walkover, Hopkins takes away his output and speed with his legs and beats the **** outa him like he done Pavlik. Dawson wouldn't know how to keep him off and deal with being tied up after every time Hopkins came in and let a few go.

[Pugilistic™]

I think Calzaghe would win a decision.

I do think Dawson has a good chance though.

[Boxingwizard]

I dont buy that for a second considering he was only with Floyd breifly. A quote from Floyd "Chads a ******, he cant follow simple instructions".

Floyds got a point. His trainor told him to stay outside and box but he didn't have a clue how to deal with the pressure and do that. It doesn't matter who's trained him because when you're a suposedly "briliant" fighter and you're being told to box you should be able to do that.

I wouldn't say Johnson fought a GREAT fight. Johnson was Johnson doing his thing like he usualy does.

Regarding Taylor and Hopkins...It was Taylors athletism that caused Nard the problems not the speed. Hopkins wasn't out of place with a prime RJ when he was green and now he's pretty much at his best.

Dawson would be a walkover, Hopkins takes away his output and speed with his legs and beats the **** outa him like he done Pavlik. Dawson wouldn't know how to keep him off and deal with being tied up after every time Hopkins came in and let a few go.

Yeah Floyd called Dawson ******ed, right after Dawson dumped him as a trainer. Of course Floyd is going to say things that are not true because he was pissed. He even made a big deal about a sparring match between Dirrell and Dawson, Floyd was just talking **** and exaggerating what he says because that's how he is.

How can Hopkins take away Dawson's output and speed with his legs when Dawson is faster than Hopkins? And Hopkins is not like Johnson who starts the initiative and fights on the inside, he will fight on the outside which suits Dawson very well. And you know it wouldn't be a walkover. And Dawson is nothing like Pavlik.

Also a switch in trainers could affect a fighter, it happened to Amir Khan, Jermain Taylor, etc.

[The Gunner]

Yeah Floyd called Dawson ******ed, right after Dawson dumped him as a trainer. Of course Floyd is going to say things that are not true because he was pissed. He even made a big deal about a sparring match between Dirrell and Dawson, Floyd was just talking **** and exaggerating what he said because that's how he is.

How can Hopkins take away Dawson's output and speed with his legs when Dawson is faster than Hopkins? And Hopkins is not like Johnson who fights on the inside, he will fight on the outside which suits Dawson very well. And you know and I know it wouldn't be a walkover. And Dawson is nothing like Pavlik.

How do you actually know all this stuff by the way?

What i mean is, how do you know that Dawson had problems with his defence and that Floyd was talking **** because him and Dawson fell out?

Unless you actually know these people you are playing the guessing game and trying to pass it off as fact. On the other hand, im telling you what i see in there.

Dawsns handspeed is better than Hopkins but not his movement. Hopkins is a master on the outside and its his sense of position and ring craft that makes him good out there, not his speed.

Ive never said that Hopkins fights on the inside either what my meaning was he'll pick his spots to come in with 3 or 4 shots then clinch. He'll go back on the outside again after this and repeat for 12 rounds.

Dawson is far from a smart fighter and im not really interested on what your opinion is on that because to be honest if you think he is then your just a blind fan.

Dawson is not on that level and never will be, he aint smart enough and he looks like he'll go over after taking a good shot.

B-Hop and Calzaghe both destroy him. Hopkins dont want to fight him cause he dont want to ruin him he just said. LOL

Hopkins - Dawson is man against boy.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Everyone doesn't struggle against Johnson bud, Tarver clearly beat him IMO, Hopkins stopped him, Derrick Harmon beat him clear as day and i had Woods winning 8-4 in the 3rd fight (i had Johnson winning the first 2). Surely the "real deal" as you put it beats this guy? You cant blame the trainor here cause he was giving great advice between rounds telling Dawson to stay outside and use his jab. Dawson just didn't know how to impliment what he was being told.

Regarding Adamek.....Theres no doubt he was drained in that fight, his coach wanted him to vacate before he fought Chad and he looked ****** and drawn in the night of the fight.

Dawson also to me looks like his beard aint the best.

Oh, you cant be serious when you say Nard wont school that boy. It wouldn't even be close.

Tarver didn't ''clearly'' beat Johnson in neither of those fights, and both of them were actually controversial to many people and Hopkins of course, beat him when he was younger and hadn't fought anyone up until that point. Not to take anything from Bernard of course, he was masterful but that simply wasn't a prime Johnson. Another thing is that have you seen ANY of the Johnson vs Woods fights? Even Sho time commentator Steve Albert had to step up and say that he felt Johnson won all three of those fights and even people from the U.K on this forum said it as well. That's why its important to watch these fights.

Also, about Adamek being weight drained is complete garbage( no offense). And give me one credible source that stated Adamek's team wanted him to vacate. I am a huge show time boxing fan, and while Adamek was making his way to the ring, one of the commentators stated that after this fight, Adamek was looking to fight the stars in the divisions and while Karen Bryant was interviewing Adamek before the fight, he stated that he felt he was in the best condition and that his size would be a factor in the fight, and at no website did you see his team bring up anything negative about his weight. Now do you see a pattern here? Funny how all of this comes up after he is decisively beaten by Dawson. They are lies. Adamek moved up in weight because of more title opportunities at cruiser weight and the fact that he would feel more stronger up there, but that had nothing to do with his performance at all. His power was there and his stamina was there as well, what shows you this is from rounds 10 and on. He not only dropped Dawson but didn't look tired and he brought non stop pressure for the last two rounds. Do you think that a weight drained body such as Oscar's (against Pacquaio) or Jones against Tarver( in their first fight) would have had the strength to put out this kind of energy? That's why its just laughable that anyone would spew that out there. Research some of this stuff.

And on Hopkins beating Dawson, as Darkstar as already stated, just watch his fights with either Taylor or Calzaghe. Just point me out one single thing that Taylor has or does better than Dawson other than being smaller, not as fast, possessing not as many dimensions and being an all around lesser boxer?

[slicksouthpaw16]

How do you actually know all this stuff by the way?

What i mean is, how do you know that Dawson had problems with his defence and that Floyd was talking **** because him and Dawson fell out?

Unless you actually know these people you are playing the guessing game and trying to pass it off as fact. On the other hand, im telling you what i see in there.

He knows it because he watches boxing and also follow Dawson's career and the light heavyweight division closely( same as i do) and the article about Floyd calling Dawson ******ed was already posted just after he had hired Eddie Muhammad.

Also, Dawson has been having defense issues up until he got with Muhammad. I wouldn't say his defense was horrible with Floyd SR, but he clearly had balance problems and that showed up in his fight with Jesus Ruiz a little bit. He would get out of position after he threw his combination's and would get tagged with a few hard right hands. Since hes been with Muhammad, he throw's his combo's and gets back out without being vulnerable and his focus has also improved.

[Boxingwizard]

How do you actually know all this stuff by the way?

What i mean is, how do you know that Dawson had problems with his defence and that Floyd was talking **** because him and Dawson fell out?

Unless you actually know these people you are playing the guessing game and trying to pass it off as fact. On the other hand, im telling you what i see in there.

Dawsns handspeed is better than Hopkins but not his movement. Hopkins is a master on the outside and its his sense of position and ring craft that makes him good out there, not his speed.

Ive never said that Hopkins fights on the inside either what my meaning was he'll pick his spots to come in with 3 or 4 shots then clinch. He'll go back on the outside again after this and repeat for 12 rounds.

Dawson is far from a smart fighter and im not really interested on what your opinion is on that because to be honest if you think he is then your just a blind fan.

Dawson is not on that level and never will be, he aint smart enough and he looks like he'll go over after taking a good shot.

B-Hop and Calzaghe both destroy him. Hopkins dont want to fight him cause he dont want to ruin him he just said. LOL

Hopkins - Dawson is man against boy.

I'm a blind fan? I can the same thing about you. You are overestimating Hopkins and underestimating Dawson's skills. You heard what Al Bernstein said, when Dawson is on the offense he's also on the defense, you CAN'T counter Dawson because he's too fast. And Dawson is an intelligent fighter, as he progresses from every fight, he will one day have great ring generalship, it's only a matter of time. His ring intelligence was good enough to beat Harding, Adamek, Johnson, and Tarver.

Hopkins won't be able to pick his spots against Dawson. If Dawson wants to, he can fight a boxing match too, combined with his speed and combination punching, it would be a very dangerous fight for Hopkins.

I read what Floyd said about Dawson. He sounded like a pissed off man making a big deal about all the little things that Dawson does. A trainer and a fighter won't always go smoothly. If Dawson didn't cut ties with Floyd, you think Floyd what of said those things? I think not.

[The Gunner]

Tarver didn't ''clearly'' beat Johnson in neither of those fights, and both of them were actually controversial to many people and Hopkins of course, beat him when he was younger and hadn't fought anyone up until that point. Not to take anything from Bernard of course, he was masterful but that simply wasn't a prime Johnson. Another thing is that have you seen ANY of the Johnson vs Woods fights? Even Sho time commentator Steve Albert had to step up and say that he felt Johnson won all three of those fights and even people from the U.K on this forum said it as well. That's why its important to watch these fights.

Also, about Adamek being weight drained is complete garbage( no offense). And give me one credible source that stated Adamek's team wanted him to vacate. I am a huge show time boxing fan, and while Adamek was making his way to the ring, one of the commentators stated that after this fight, Adamek was looking to fight the stars in the divisions and while Karen Bryant was interviewing Adamek before the fight, he stated that he felt he was in the best condition and that his size would be a factor in the fight, and at no website did you see his team bring up anything negative about his weight. Now do you see a pattern here? Funny how all of this comes up after he is decisively beaten by Dawson. They are lies. Adamek moved up in weight because of more title opportunities at cruiser weight and the fact that he would feel more stronger up there, but that had nothing to do with his performance at all. His power was there and his stamina was there as well, what shows you this is from rounds 10 and on. He not only dropped Dawson but didn't look tired and he brought non stop pressure for the last two rounds. Do you think that a weight drained body such as Oscar's (against Pacquaio) or Jones against Tarver( in their first fight) would have had the strength to put out this kind of energy? That's why its just laughable that anyone would spew that out there. Research some of this stuff.

And on Hopkins beating Dawson, as Darkstar as already stated, just watch his fights with either Taylor or Calzaghe. Just point me out one single thing that Taylor has or does better than Dawson other than being smaller, not as fast, possessing not as many dimensions and being an all around lesser boxer?

I dont know where i read it but read it i did, Adamek was nowhere near as strong as he usually is and thats what my meaning was. I think i said that earlier too. Roy won the last two rounds of the first Tarver fight, whats your point?

Regarding Taylor...As ive already stated he's naturaly gifted athlete and at that point when Hopkins was finding it tough to stay at MW thaty counted against Hopkins. Taylors jab was also the key in the fights, Dawsons jab is not on the same level as Jermains, that cant be argued. Not many fighters today have a better jab than Taylor.

Steve Albert sounds full of **** too. Johnson got robbed first time against Woods and he won the second fight which was close. The 3rd was close too but i feel w2oods won it by a few rounds. Johnson faded in the 10th and looked at one point likehe could be stopped. I call it like it is always and Woods won that fight.

He knows it because he watches boxing and also follow Dawson's career and the light heavyweight division closely( same as i do) and the article about Floyd calling Dawson ******ed was already posted just after he had hired Eddie Muhammad.

Also, Dawson has been having defense issues up until he got with Muhammad. I wouldn't say his defense was horrible with Floyd SR, but he clearly had balance problems and that showed up in his fight with Jesus Ruiz a little bit. He would get out of position after he threw his combination's and would get tagged with a few hard right hands. Since hes been with Muhammad, he throw's his combo's and gets back out without being vulnerable and his focus has also improved.

No, he made statements that would take inside info and tried to pass them off as fact.

The real FACT is that cant be argued is Dawson didn't KNOW how to keep Johnson off him. There is no dis*****g that!

Its got nothing to do with a change in trainor either, nothing at all. Dawson was clueless when it came to that. Again, his corner gave him sound advice he just did not know how to go out and execute it. Very simple to see and cant be disputed or in you guys case you cant make excuses.

I'm a blind fan? I can the same thing about you. You are overestimating Hopkins and underestimating Dawson's skills. You heard what Al Bernstein said, when Dawson is on the offense he's also on the defense, you CAN'T counter Dawson because he's too fast. And Dawson is an intelligent fighter, as he progresses from every fight, he will one day have great ring generalship, it's only a matter of time. His ring intelligence was good enough to beat Harding, Adamek, Johnson, and Tarver.

Hopkins won't be able to pick his spots against Dawson. If Dawson wants to, he can fight a chess match too, combined with his speed and combination punching, it would be a very dangerous fight for Hopkins.

I read what Floyd said about Dawson. He sounded like a pissed off man making a big deal about all the little things that Dawson does. A trainer and a fighter won't always go smoothly. If Dawson didn't cut ties with Floyd, you think Floyd what of said those things? I think not.

Dawsons offence is his defence that was Bernsteins meaning. Dawson is nowhere NEAR smart enough to fight a chess match with Hopkins either, that would be career suicide doing this, Dawson would have to go out throwing near 100 punches a round to beat Hopkins and as we know Dawson can gas late in fights.

Floyd and Dawson fell out because Floyd told him how it was. Dirrell stood him on his head in sparing and Floyd cussed him out because he wouldn't follow simple instructions, Dawson took offence to this. It sounded like Dawson wanted a yes man in his corner not someone who would tell him like it is.

I dont think im overetimating Hopkins when i say he'd clearly beat Dawson. I think you are clearly doing that with Dawson though when you say he's smart enough to live with Hopkins when the fact is he wasn't even very smart against Johnson.

[slicksouthpaw16]

I dont know where i read it but read it i did, Adamek was nowhere near as strong as he usually is and thats what my meaning was. I think i said that earlier too. Roy won the last two rounds of the first Tarver fight, whats your point?

Regarding Taylor...As ive already stated he's naturaly gifted athlete and at that point when Hopkins was finding it tough to stay at MW thaty counted against Hopkins. Taylors jab was also the key in the fights, Dawsons jab is not on the same level as Jermains, that cant be argued. Not many fighters today have a better jab than Taylor.

Explain how Adamek just fought a war with Paul Briggs just a few months before that and stated in the post fight interview that he had no excuses, that Dawson was just simply too fast? The reason why Jones won the last few rounds in their first fight is because Tarver wasn't fighting, and was known for stamina problems in his early days, that was before he peaked. He also was dropped and faded in his fight with Eric Harding( who also broke his jaw in that fight).

Dawson's jab is just as good especially when the fight is tactical( the fight Bernard always fight) and not only that, but the jab would be coming from a naturally bigger fighter(than both Hopkins and Taylor) with a longer reach and from the southpaw stance. And the Taylor jab didn't win the fight with Hopkins, it was him matching Bernard on the inside and being multi- dimensional and throwing more punches. He was also physically and mentally strong enough to not be thrown off by the rough house tactics of Hopkins. Dawson brings all of this and much more, which is why i don't see Bernard winning this fight at all.

Steve Albert sounds full of **** too. Johnson got robbed first time against Woods and he won the second fight which was close. The 3rd was close too but i feel w2oods won it by a few rounds. Johnson faded in the 10th and looked at one point likehe could be stopped. I call it like it is always and Woods won that fight.

You stated that Johnson clearly lost to Woods earlier, which is why i asked you to re watch the fight. They were all close fight, but my point was that many people( even brits) felt that Johnson took all of those fights and that alone shows that Johnson didn't clearly lose none of them. While Woods is not a world beater, he has been around the division for a long time and has plenty of top top wins under his notch, so there is no shame in losing a close decision to him. Tell me a great fighter that has not struggled( or even lost) a close decision when they were taking a step up in competition? Like them I see Dawson taking it as a learning experience and growing from it.

The real FACT is that cant be argued is Dawson didn't KNOW how to keep Johnson off him. There is no dis*****g that!

Its got nothing to do with a change in trainor either, nothing at all. Dawson was clueless when it came to that. Again, his corner gave him sound advice he just did not know how to go out and execute it. Very simple to see and cant be disputed or in you guys case you cant make excuses.

Watch round 7 of their fight, Dawson knew how to keep Johnson off of him but he insisted on trading with him because he got frustrated. He won that round easily. Before that fight, he was use to hitting and not being hit back and Johnson did not give him that space.

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Also, you made excuses about Adamek being weight drained when he fought Dawson and we can't say that a change of trainers( Dawson has had 3 different trainers in the last 3 years) effected his performance?

[Dorian]

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