Who's the biggest boxer with the most bums on his record?

[them_apples]

The thing I hate most about your opinion is your claim that Calzaghe fought all these bums in Europe. Was it his fault that he didn't have a contract with HBO? Frank Warren should shoulder alot of the blame also. Calzaghe came over and fought in America twice and even if he didn't do that his legacy should not be diminished. Joe can make enough money fighting in Cardif but he chose to fight in the US. Hopkins was ranked number one in the Light Heavyweight division. Kessler was Ranked number two in the SMW division and Lacy was highly ranked also. Give him some credit.

You are right, he does need some credit - I've been thinking about it and he's clearly one of the best lhw's right now. What I'm really trying to say is, in terms of ATG status, I don't see him beating any of the great light heavyweights.

I see Prime Jones knocking him out, and hopkins getting a Wide UD. Is all.

I think Calzaghe would beat Dawson though, after watching Dawson take breaks against Tarver, I see him losing via UD12.

I hate on Calzaghe because his fans think he would beat a Prime Hopkins (whome he almost lost to, at 43, who threw 5 punches per round) and Jones, (who had been knocked out by the likes of Tarver) Thats just being delusional.

imagine if Holmes had already been knocked out? Tyson would have got flamed just as much as Calzaghe did for beating Jones.

[BadNewz]

Valuev. Biggest boxer with or without bums.

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Even tyson has Career defining wins, Demolishing Spinks in 1 round, being the only man to knock out Holmes (who went 12 with Holyfield and beat prime mercer after wards) and being the youngest HW champion ever.

But still you can pick those wins apart easily, just as you are doing with Calzaghe.

Spinks: a career light heavyweight who started at light middleweight, if I remember correctly?

Holmes: 39 years-old. It's the equivalent of Calzaghe fighting Jones. Possible worse, because at least Jones had worked himself back into position for a top fight. Holmes hadn't fought for almost two years when he faced Tyson.

As far as being the youngest heavyweight champ ever, in my opinion this is impressive, but some would argue that he filled his resume quite a few less-than-impressive names (or no-names) along the way.



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[Enemy/Friend]

You are right, he does need some credit - I've been thinking about it and he's clearly one of the best lhw's right now. What I'm really trying to say is, in terms of ATG status, I don't see him beating any of the great light heavyweights.

I see Prime Jones knocking him out, and hopkins getting a Wide UD. Is all.

I think Calzaghe would beat Dawson though, after watching Dawson take breaks against Tarver, I see him losing via UD12.

I hate on Calzaghe because his fans think he would beat a Prime Hopkins (whome he almost lost to, at 43, who threw 5 punches per round) and Jones, (who had been knocked out by the likes of Tarver) Thats just being delusional.

We will never know who would win Prime vs Prime it is all speculation.

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I hate on Calzaghe because his fans think he would beat a Prime Hopkins (whome he almost lost to, at 43, who threw 5 punches per round) and Jones, (who had been knocked out by the likes of Tarver) Thats just being delusional.

It's not being delusional. You are making fantasy matchups and convincing yourself that your are correct in saying Joe Calzaghe would definitely lose to a prime Hopkins or Jones. To me, that's delusional. The fact is, Joe hasn't lost a fight for 19 years (almost 90 fights in total), so it's impossible to say if he would lose or not. It could just be that Joe Calzaghe would have embarrassed both of them. Who's to say I'm incorrect? It's just an opinion, and it's no more far-fetched than suggesting he would lose.

In my honest opinion, I think Joe would always have caused problems for both Hopkins (and especially) Jones. I know you won't agree. Not many people will, but that's how I see it. It would have at least been a very competitive fight.

The rest of your post gets my respect, btw.

We will never know who would win Prime vs Prime it is all speculation.

That's it. You posted that as I was writing.



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[them_apples]

But still you can pick those wins apart easily, just as you are doing with Calzaghe.

Spinks: a career light heavyweight who started at light middleweight, if I remember correctly?

Holmes: 39 years-old. It's the equivalent of Calzaghe fighting Jones. Possible worse, because at least Jones had worked himself back into position for a top fight. Holmes hadn't fought for almost two years when he faced Tyson.

As far as being the youngest heavyweight champ ever, in my opinion this is impressive, but some would argue that he filled his resume quite a few less-than-impressive names (or no-names) along the way.

Holmes beat a Prime Mercer and went 12 with holyfield. Prior to that his only losses were close UD12 to Spinks. No way in hell was he in worse shape than Jones. He was 38 also, not 39.

Spinks had one fight at SMW, the rest of his Career was at 175, then he had 2 wins over undefeated Holmes at HW, and 1 win over cooney at HW.

Tyson knocked him out in one round. If you are going to call him a blown up LHW, the man already wupped on other Top heavyweights and had never lost. Tyson himself was a small heavyweight.

Calzaghe beat Hopkins, Hopkins would be the equivalent of Holmes, except Tyson knocked the fk out of Holmes. all the flamers will say Hopkins is way better than Holmes, but Holmes achieved just as much after his loss to Tyson as Hopkins did after losing to Calzaghe.

[Jim Jeffries]

It's pointless arguing opinions, you are entitled to yours and that's cool, but to suggest Joe Calzaghe has the most "bums" on his record out of ANY fighter on the planet, well, it's just not true, there are far worse out there. Granted, his resume could be better, nobody can disagree with that, but much of the blame can also be placed on Frank Warren, seeing as he was the promoter. As soon as Calzaghe ditched Warren, he came to the USA and fought the names he always wanted to fight in Hopkins and Jones. He was desperate for a fight with Hopkins going back as far as 7 years ago, and indeed, he had a fight scheduled with him in 2002. Blame Hopkins for backing out of the agreement, not Joe.

I have seen a number interviews and post-fight interviews from many years ago where he said Hopkins was his ultimate fight. Don't get me wrong, Calzaghe ain't no angel, he should have ditched Warren long ago, and I think he probably realizes that now, but it was too late.

Chris Eubank
Roy Jones
Bernard Hopkins
Mikkel Kessler
Robin Reid
Byron Mitchell
Charles Brewer
Omar Sheika
Jeff Lacy
Sakio Bika
Richie Woodhall
Mario Veit

There are some excellent names, and a few slightly less than stellar ones, but all of them are solid wins and nothing to be ashamed of. Going back to Hagler, undoubtedly a top 5 greatest middleweight of all time, if you remove Duran, Hearns and Leonard from his resume, it becomes significantly less impressive. Most average boxing fans wouldn't recognize so many of the names that are left. It's cool though, it doesn't take anything away from his greatness.

My point stands: Calzaghe doesn't have the worst resume of all time by a long shot.

You'll have to excuse Them_Apples, he honestly thinks that a prime Duran at 135 would lose to Manny Pacquiao.

[them_apples]

You'll have to excuse Them_Apples, he honestly thinks that a prime Duran at 135 would lose to Manny Pacquiao.

OMG, this is what I ****ing hate so much about forums..these ****ers bring other threads into other parts of the forum.

I gave my opinions, these guys think duran is immortal at 135, he was actually quite sloppy and did his best at 147.

this *** brings up **** like this..

they treat Pacquiao like he's some bum

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My hands ache from typing so much. I need sleep too. Later fellas.



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[Mojita]

all i can say..

subtract Lacy, Hopkins, Kessler, Jones from Joes resume. Thats 42-0. an unimpressive 42-0, bull**** 42-0. but forgetting that, hes nowhere close to ATG. 20 defenses of that belt? come on - he fought "Subpar" fighters or past their prime. Best wins are Kessler/Lacy cause they were young. He barely beat Hopkins and took advantage of Jones' point of his career. Yes, he unified But at the end of the day people dont remember belts, they remember fighters who fought great fighters in their best days, not worse. he can only say he has 2. lacy/kessler. maybe Hopkins. this guy is not his hype at all, its all bs.