Where would Margarito be today had he NOT had a granite chin?

[dans]

I don't think he landed the better punishing shots. Maybe the prettier flashier ones. You have to remember, when you can fire off combos at that rate of speed, you're taking away some of your power to be that fast. Tony fought at the same pace that he always does. Of course his chin allows him to fight in the manner that he does, but in no way is he just some crude brawler with no skill.

Cotto simply wasn't very effective at what he was trying. Its not like he won every single round and then crumbled at the very end. It was an arduous, calculated process by which he was eliminated. At times it was hard to see the impact of Tonys punches because there were so many landed on the inside rather than from a distance like Miguels.

Which is why I compare this fight to Chavez-Taylor.

[WaRCoTTo]

I don't think he landed the better punishing shots. Maybe the prettier flashier ones. You have to remember, when you can fire off combos at that rate of speed, you're taking away some of your power to be that fast. Tony fought at the same pace that he always does. Of course his chin allows him to fight in the manner that he does, but in no way is he just some crude brawler with no skill.

Cotto simply wasn't very effective at what he was trying. Its not like he won every single round and then crumbled at the very end. It was an arduous, calculated process by which he was eliminated. At times it was hard to see the impact of Tonys punches because there were so many landed on the inside rather than from a distance like Miguels.

And with most of this I can agree with..after watching the fight like 6 times..I can see the slower but heavy ass thudding shots that Margarito was landing early..especially in Rd 2 he hit Cotto wit a mean Body shot that folded Cotto!..

Margarito with out a Chin would be like Cherokee D'ass wit a FLAT ASS...they wouldn't be no where!..

but He does HAVE A CHIN!...and Cotto has to work around that this time instead of trying to WORK THRU IT like the first match-up!!..

[adrsan84]

Once again. Take away Marg's chin, do u think he would've been as succesfull based purely on his boxing skills and talent. Remember, having a chin is not something u can learn, nor is it a skill. Some people have it, and some people dont. This is the basis of the thread question.

Your argument is very flawed because every fighter relies on naturally given abilities. If Floyd didn't have his reflexes where would he be, if Pacquiao didn't have his handspeed where would he be, etc. Bottom line it is no different. It is a matter of what fighter can use his abilities best.

It is true that Tony would not be a world class fighter without his chin, but that statement can be duplicated with virtually every fighter. The perfect example is Roy Jones, who similar to Floyd, relies very heavily on amazing reflexes. When those went, his career as an elite level figher ended very abruptly.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Would U Agree that Israel Vazquez is in his Prime?..

and He quit in Marquez-Vazquez I!

It's not about Cotto quitting and Mexicans don't if they're done..THEY'RE DONE!...

and if people are going off that gif that shows Cotto nodding his head..He actually nodded NO! (Sideways) And Evangelista was already raising the towel to get him out of there..

I was there when Vazquez quit. The entire stadium was disappointed and felt a bit cheated even though we had just witnessed 7 rounds of incredible boxing, fighting and all around skill.



I call a quitter when I see one, if only for a match. Same as with Chavez and Morales, 2 of my all time favorites. The only difference is, they never did it in their primes. Israel is probably somewhere just a bit past his prime now, but at that point I think he was in it. He quit too. His face was swelling up by the second.


Trust me bro, I don't hold any allegiances to any fighter based on nationality.

[THE REED]

My point is, having a great chin is not something u can learn, nor is it a skill. SO....Could Marg be where he is today based on just pure skill and boxing ability?

no disrespect deevel ur my boy on here.... its iffy, he has a great work rate, and a lot of heart... and i believe he does hit hard, and goes to the body well.. and punches from a lot of angles... but hes hit extremely easily... if u take away that granite chin... cotto prolly would of KOed him first...

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

I was there when Vazquez quit. The entire stadium was disappointed and felt a bit cheated even though we had just witnessed 7 rounds of incredible boxing, fighting and all around skill.



I call a quitter when I see one, if only for a match. Same as with Chavez and Morales, 2 of my all time favorites. The only difference is, they never did it in their primes. Israel is probably somewhere just a bit past his prime now, but at that point I think he was in it. He quit too. His face was swelling up by the second.


Trust me bro, I don't hold any allegiances to any fighter based on nationality.

So your basicaly saying that is ok to quit when you are not in your prime, but you cant when you are in your prime. Thats absurd, qutting is qutting.
RJJ was shot as hell and he didnt quitted and he was getting the ass whooping of his life against Calzaghe.

[Vasyl’s dad]

So your basicaly saying that is ok to quit when you are not in your prime, but you cant when you are in your prime. Thats absurd, qutting is qutting.
RJJ was shot as hell and he didnt quitted and he was getting the ass whooping of his life against Calzaghe.

I never said any of that. I just noted the differences in their respective careers at that point.

I'm just saying, Miguel quit against Margarito.

I don't blame him.

With that said, I don't think you'll ever see Cotto do that again. I'm sure he'll leave specific instructions for his corner to never do that again.

[WaRCoTTo]

I never said any of that. I just noted the differences in their respective careers at that point.

I'm just saying, Miguel quit against Margarito.

I don't blame him.

With that said, I don't think you'll ever see Cotto do that again. I'm sure he'll leave specific instructions for his corner to never do that again.

I hope not..Ni66a will end up like Apollo on Rocky IV..HAHA!...

but fair enough..I'm just anxious to see this go down again!!..Especially knowing that this time I'll be there LIVE!!..It'll be a once in a lifetime experience for me!!

[deevel79]

I never said any of that. I just noted the differences in their respective careers at that point.

I'm just saying, Miguel quit against Margarito.

I don't blame him.

With that said, I don't think you'll ever see Cotto do that again. I'm sure he'll leave specific instructions for his corner to never do that again.

Contradiction? Did he quit, or did his corner stop it?

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

I never said any of that. I just noted the differences in their respective careers at that point.

I'm just saying, Miguel quit against Margarito.

I don't blame him.

With that said, I don't think you'll ever see Cotto do that again. I'm sure he'll leave specific instructions for his corner to never do that again.

First Cotto didnt quit. Second so what you mean when you say,"Well they quitted but they were not on their primes". Theres not an excuse for qutting bro. And dcotto didnt quit, the corner threw the towel 2 different things.