Stop the ROBBERY bull****. The Fightwriter has spoken.

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  • DiegoFuego
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    #81
    Originally posted by BatTheMan
    What a silly comment. Houston is perhaps the greatest of fight reporters. Shame on you.
    what has he ever done to earn a title like that? Bernstein is the most knowledgeable guy in the sport far and away. Houston is full of **** from what I've seen

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      #82
      Originally posted by DiegoFuego
      what has he ever done to earn a title like that? Bernstein is the most knowledgeable guy in the sport far and away. Houston is full of **** from what I've seen
      I have seen more than a few people imply that those who think Holyfield won were in some way swayed by the commentary of the American Broadcasters.

      The crew in no way gave a biased account. They spoke negatively throughout of Holyfield's style and of his reluctance to engage. They made several comments to the effect of "Holyfield has done nothing to win the fight, Valuev just didn't show up"

      They said that it would be a shame even if Holyfield won because it would be nothing to be proud of and would probably be mocked.

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      • SHB
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        #83
        Personally, I think the most culpable of all is Holyfield himself. I only saw the last 7 rounds but, even if he won the first 5 rounds as comfortably as everyone on here seems to think he did, he really did himself no favours for the rest of the fight. You aren't going to win any rounds anywere - let alone a Sauerland fighter on a Sauerland card - if you are constantly backing away from your opponent (who just happens to be the champion) and throw no more than 5 punches a round. Even if your opponent is missing with everything he's throwing, the fact that he's the one at least attempting (occasionally, granted) to engage will often mean he gets the nod. Especially when he's the champion already. He had to win rounds clearly and in the second half he really didn't do enough.

        If he won the first 5 then I'd probably have scored it for Holyfield as well, but nowhere near the margins stated by some on here.

        I guess my point is twofold. Firstly I've seen far bigger robberies - in the US, UK, Germany and every country in between. Nothing will compare to Ottke-Reid and this wasn't even in the same stratosphere as that. Hell this wasn't even a Casamayor-Santa Cruz or a Lewis-Holyfield.

        Secondly, I'd have given both fighters the L. Neither deserved anything. A genuinely rank bad fight between two fighters with little to no business in the ring these days apart from serving as a freak show to neutral mountaindwellers.

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        • MWMerlino
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          #84
          In the least, it was a questionable decision. Arguing that the fight was not a robbery is not only pointless (especially if you scored the fight for Holyfield), but irrelevant. It does not matter to what degree the judging was unfair. And in this instance the judging was ludicrous. This just was not a fight that could have gone either way. The "champion" did not fight like he cared to retain his belt.

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          • Davros?
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            #85
            The best thing off the whole fight was when buffer said at the end lets have a round off applause for two great fighters haha he must have got forced to say that, and when the German guy asks Holyfield how Vaulev compared to Holmes Foreman Bowe etc and Holyfield couldn’t think off anything good to say lol.

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            • SHB
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              #86
              Originally posted by DavrosPremuleas
              The best thing off the whole fight was when buffer said at the end lets have a round off applause for two great fighters haha he must have got forced to say that, and when the German guy asks Holyfield how Vaulev compared to Holmes Foreman Bowe etc and Holyfield couldn’t think off anything good to say lol.
              How Buffer kept a straight face I don't know. Either way, Valuev's punches must have had some effect as I'm surprised Holyfield didn't simply laugh at the question from that idiot.

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              • BattlingNelson
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                #87
                Originally posted by DavrosPremuleas
                The best thing off the whole fight was when buffer said at the end lets have a round off applause for two great fighters haha he must have got forced to say that, and when the German guy asks Holyfield how Vaulev compared to Holmes Foreman Bowe etc and Holyfield couldn’t think off anything good to say lol.
                lol. Yeah. That was jokish for sure.

                BTW the ratings in Germany went trough the roof. 8.14 million homes watched the fight. A sensational rating. Boxing aint dying in Germany thats for sure. But I guess this fight was like the thrilla in manilla compared to the Ottke fights of yesteryear.

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                • SHB
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                  #88
                  Originally posted by BatTheMan
                  lol. Yeah. That was jokish for sure.

                  BTW the ratings in Germany went trough the roof. 8.14 million homes watched the fight. A sensational rating. Boxing aint dying in Germany thats for sure. But I guess this fight was like the thrilla in manilla compared to the Ottke fights of yesteryear.
                  Boxing in Europe is thriving if anything. The balance of power is shifting.

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                  • aljosa_raos
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                    #89
                    This is crazy.HOLYFIELD WON 8-4 at least i gor 9-3 in rounds.
                    Everybody know HOLYFIELD won even in my television in Croata Željko MAVROVIĆ who fought LENNOX LEWIS for title got so mad that i thought he gonna killed Valuev and his promoter Sauerland for robbery.

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                    • Clegg
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                      #90
                      Mavrovic would probably beat Valuev.

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