Stop the ROBBERY bull****. The Fightwriter has spoken.

[Njord777]

I'm pretty confused myself as to how anyone doesn't think it was a robbery. I don't cry robbery often. I'd like to think I'm not taken to flights of fancy, either. Very little happened in the Valuev-Holyfield fight. For some inexplicable reason Valuev, who has shown he has decent - though not quite impressive skills- didn't show up at all. Not even enough to fend off an old Holyfield. Without bias I can summarize the entire fight:

Holyfield uses lateral movement, dancing from side to side and around the bigger man and- when possible- throws a few hooks or attempts a flurry or two. Valuev does almost nothing, following Evander around as he dances. EVERY time Holyfield uses that movement Valuev had to reset himself to punch. So, literally, he spent over half of every round plodding after the dancing old man and doing nothing. Holyfield wins most round based on the very few decent hooks he lands, and the attempted combinations scattered throughout the snooze fest.

How can anyone have Valuev winning? ANYONE. Clearly this NOT a fight where you can use the logic that it was close. When nothing happens, and one guy does a little less nothing, he wins. I watched every round and Valuev did nothing. Nothing at all.

I'm not trying to argue, I'm not getting in a debate. In a horrid fight the old man did almost nothing, compared to the Giant doing literally nothing, and Evander somehow didn't win. It was a robbery.

[warp1432]

I'm pretty confused myself as to how anyone doesn't think it was a robbery. I don't cry robbery often. I'd like to think I'm not taken to flights of fancy, either. Very little happened in the Valuev-Holyfield fight. For some inexplicable reason Valuev, who has shown he has decent - though not quite impressive skills- didn't show up at all. Not even enough to fend off an old Holyfield. Without bias I can summarize the entire fight:

Holyfield uses lateral movement, dancing from side to side and around the bigger man and- when possible- throws a few hooks or attempts a flurry or two. Valuev does almost nothing, following Evander around as he dances. EVERY time Holyfield uses that movement Valuev had to reset himself to punch. So, literally, he spent over half of every round plodding after the dancing old man and doing nothing. Holyfield wins most round based on the very few decent hooks he lands, and the attempted combinations scattered throughout the snooze fest.

How can anyone have Valuev winning? ANYONE. Clearly this NOT a fight where you can use the logic that it was close. When nothing happens, and one guy does a little less nothing, he wins. I watched every round and Valuev did nothing. Nothing at all.

I'm not trying to argue, I'm not getting in a debate. In a horrid fight the old man did almost nothing, compared to the Giant doing literally nothing, and Evander somehow didn't win. It was a robbery.

Right on the money. I scored one round for Valuev, but the most you could give him was three-maybe four.

It was a robbery because Valuev didn't land anything. All he did was "stalk" him foward, but he didn't even back Holyfield to the ropes. When he threw punches, which was very rare, he didn't land jack ****. Holyfield moved side to side and he didn't throw often, but he landed the cleaner punches. He landed head punches and then also dug to the body.

You can ABSOLUTELY NOT make a case for Valuev winning this fight. People want to say "Well it wasn't a robbery because Valuev didn't take a beating". He didn't take a beating like Holyfield did in the Lewis fight, but there is no way you can make a case for Valuev winning.

It was a robbery. People who gave that many rounds to Valuev are idiots. And even if they were respected, they lose a bit of credibility in my book.

[Silencers]

I had it 117-111 Holyfield first time I watched it, 116-112 second time I watched it, there's no way Valuev won that fight IMO, I understand there were some close rounds but even in the close rounds I thought Holyfield did more in those rounds to win the fight, Valuev didn't fight like a champion at all.

[Dan...]

Right on the money. I scored one round for Valuev, but the most you could give him was three-maybe four.

It was a robbery because Valuev didn't land anything. All he did was "stalk" him foward, but he didn't even back Holyfield to the ropes. When he threw punches, which was very rare, he didn't land jack ****. Holyfield moved side to side and he didn't throw often, but he landed the cleaner punches. He landed head punches and then also dug to the body.

You can ABSOLUTELY NOT make a case for Valuev winning this fight. People want to say "Well it wasn't a robbery because Valuev didn't take a beating". He didn't take a beating like Holyfield did in the Lewis fight, but there is no way you can make a case for Valuev winning.

It was a robbery. People who gave that many rounds to Valuev are idiots. And even if they were respected, they lose a bit of credibility in my book.

Yeah, this is exactly as I see it. Spot on warp.

[loui_ludwig]

Looking at other boxing sites too, the majority believed Holyfield should have won.

[Nautilus]

About 99% of Russian boxing fans at the Russian boxing site allboxing.ru thought that Holyfield won the fight by a wide margin. The decision was too unfortunate for boxing, Russian boxing in particular.

[Motofan]

No bull****, but if you scored that fight for Valuev I think you either a) dont know how to score a fight or b) really wanted Holyfield to lose. I agree with the first post that he is a great boxing writer, but he knows **** all about scoring if he even thought that was a close fight. Say it with me ROBBERY.

[Scott9945]

Holyfield deserved the decision, but it wasn't nearly the biggest robbery I've seen in a heavyweight title fight. Evander just did very little to build his case on. Watch Louis-Walcott I if you want to see a real robbery.

I'll also stand behind Graham Houston as one of the best boxing writers ever. Definitely the least biased.

[nissassagame]

The 4 points was what set me off. Disgaceful.

[Dan...]

Holyfield deserved the decision, but it wasn't nearly the biggest robbery I've seen in a heavyweight title fight. Evander just did very little to build his case on. Watch Louis-Walcott I if you want to see a real robbery.

I'll also stand behind Graham Houston as one of the best boxing writers ever. Definitely the least biased.

You wouldn't happen to have this fight would you? I only have highlights of it. They are ok but some rounds only have say 30-60 seconds coverage. I agree though, from what I saw I was staggered that Louis got that decision. And Joe is my favourite all time Heavy.