Trinidad & Calzaghe "Who Ranks Higher All-Time" ?

[oc9979]

Preceded by
Maurice Blocker International Boxing Federation Welterweight Champion
19 June 1993 – 3 March 2000
Vacates Succeeded by
Vernon Forrest
Preceded by
Oscar de la Hoya World Boxing Council Welterweight Champion
18 September 1999 – 3 March 2000
Vacates Succeeded by
Oscar de la Hoya
Interim champion elevated
Preceded by
David Reid World Boxing Association Light Middleweight Champion
3 March 2000 – 12 May 2001
Vacates Succeeded by
Fernando Vargas
Preceded by
Fernando Vargas International Boxing Federation Light Middleweight Champion
2 December 2000 – 12 May 2001
Vacates Succeeded by
Winky Wright
Preceded by
William Joppy World Boxing Association Middleweight Champion
12 May 2001 – 29 September 2001 Succeeded by
Bernard Hopkins


Ring Magazine's Fighter of the Year
Preceded by
Paulie Ayala Ring Magazine's Fighter of the Year
2000 Succeeded by
Bernard Hopkins

[Fighting Pride]

he also didn't fight another beltholder for a decade.

tito had already retired by the time joe challenged another beltholder.

tito accomplished much more in a shorter time.

despite being a few years younger than joe , tito had already unified belts at 147 , unified belts at 154 , had grabbed a 160 belt and challenging hopkins for his 160 belts 5 YEARS before joe even fought lacy.

You're kidding. Trinidad was in the same the division as Ike Quartey and Pernell Whitaker for something like 5 years and he never managed to fight them and they were each P4P top 10. Calzaghe never had any real challengers till Lacy and Kessler came along, and we saw what he did to them. Tito only fought Hoya because of the money and because Oscar wanted to unify. Oscar made him look like a fool that fight and Trinidad getting the win was fool's gold.

He beat Vargas and Reid at 154 and Joppy at 160 (*probably with the aid of his illegal handwraps), fair enough good wins, but come on, you can't claim it as something special. The fights that would've been special wins were Hoya, Hopkins and Winky and he looked horrible and was badly outclassed by these guys. Trinidad would get his ass whooped by the best in history whereas Calzaghe would no doubt have a chance up against anyone with is style and intelligence in the ring.

[Left Hook Tua]

the majority of boxing fans on this site are american and look whos winning in the poll.

it's 6-9am in america right now. who do you think are more likely to be online?

[Allucard]

Calzaghe.

Calzaghe is unbeaten and reigned for over a decade. People will always make arguments for him being able to beat this or that guy because he never lost. Unlike Trinidad who to be fair his loses were mainly due to being out of his comfort zone weight class wise.

That's all your point is about. Well how good of an indicator is that? Is it really hard to be undefeated in boxing if you stay in a weak division taking mandatories chosen by a openly corrupt body?
Trinidad and it's not even close! Come on, Vargas and Oscar for two, are better than Calzaghe ever was, the man who beat them in their primes isn't? This is obviously about race and the white 14 year olds incapability of being objective when their own interest in involved. Sad thing is the media sometimes act as a 14 year old, spoiled kid too. But even they don't dare to compare Calzaghe to any of those fighters like Tito, Bernard and even Mayweather (although they really want to). What they do is say: "Calzaghe is an ATG" and then proceed to make themselves look ****** on national television when they are, thereby forced to rate EVERYONE AFTER CALZAGHE as an ATG as well. Either the dude is not that good or we are in the best era for boxing EVER! We may have more ATG fighters than ever before! Which one is it? You don't have to ask me...

[minto83]

Lets start by saying that I'm a Trinidad fan. However I feel that Calzaghe's achievements are greater than Trinidad's. Lets look at the facts - JC reigned as SMW Champ for over 10 years an achievement matched by only a handful of fighters. Ok so the division was a little depleted during the time of his reign but its still a wonderful record, remember it only takes one good punch or a bad decision against you and the 0 is gone, along with the titles.

Notable victories include - Eubank, Hopkins, Kessler & Lacy. The win over Lacy ranks higher than the win over Jones JR in my opinion as Lacy was undefeated and came with a massive rep. Calzaghe ruined him and subsequently Lacy is not the same fighter anymore. Also he beat Kessler and unified the division. Hopefully Kessler will show the world how big a victory that was for Joe in 2009. B Hop was in many peoples P4P top five even at 42. Yes it was a close fight but only one man came to box and that was Joe. Bhop held and went in with the head at every opportunity yet the judges scored the fight in Joe's favour. He found a way to win despite Hopkins negative tactics. Also nobody hit / slapped BHop as many times as Joe in a fight.

[oc9979]

i dont see calzaghe as fighter of the year anywhere yet?
calzaghe only fight twice a year and has fought in the same weight class for ever

[sparked_85]

That's all your point is about. Well how good of an indicator is that? Is it really hard to be undefeated in boxing if you stay in a weak division taking mandatories chosen by a openly corrupt body?
Trinidad and it's not even close! Come on, Vargas and Oscar for two, are better than Calzaghe ever was, the man who beat them in their primes isn't? This is obviously about race and the white 14 year olds incapability of being objective when their own interest in involved. Sad thing is the media sometimes act as a 14 year old, spoiled kid too. But even they don't dare to compare Calzaghe to any of those fighters like Tito, Bernard and even Mayweather (although they really want to). What they do is say: "Calzaghe is an ATG" and then proceed to make themselves look ****** on national television when they are, thereby forced to rate EVERYONE AFTER CALZAGHE as an ATG as well. Either the dude is not that good or we are in the best era for boxing EVER! We may have more ATG fighters than ever before! Which one is it? You don't have to ask me...

Wow.

I mean there is too much there to unpack and ridicule.

Might have a go later.

[Left Hook Tua]

You're kidding. Trinidad was in the same the division as Ike Quartey and Pernell Whitaker for something like 5 years and he never managed to fight them and they were each P4P top 10. Calzaghe never had any real challengers till Lacy and Kessler came along, and we saw what he did to them. Tito only fought Hoya because of the money and because Oscar wanted to unify. Oscar made him look like a fool that fight and Trinidad getting the win was fool's gold.

He beat Vargas and Reid at 154 and Joppy at 160 (*probably with the aid of his illegal handwraps), fair enough good wins, but come on, you can't claim it as something special. The fights that would've been special wins were Hoya, Hopkins and Winky and he looked horrible and was badly outclassed by these guys. Trinidad would get his ass whooped by the best in history whereas Calzaghe would no doubt have a chance up against anyone with is style and intelligence in the ring.

he fought pernell. what are you talking about? look **** up before you talk ****.

quartey lost to delahoya and tito ended up fighting oscar.

vargas , reid and joppy are the equivalent of lacy , kessler and eubank.

maybe he should have fought a shot sugar ray leonard and roberto duran.

that would have been the equivalent of calzaghe's 2 biggest wins.

[Dynamite Kid]

the majority of boxing fans on this site are american and look whos winning in the poll.

Yeah but the Brit fanboys flock to **** like this to vote for their man, because he is BRITISH

[Dynamite Kid]

You're kidding. Trinidad was in the same the division as Ike Quartey and Pernell Whitaker for something like 5 years and he never managed to fight them and they were each P4P top 10. Calzaghe never had any real challengers till Lacy and Kessler came along, and we saw what he did to them. Tito only fought Hoya because of the money and because Oscar wanted to unify. Oscar made him look like a fool that fight and Trinidad getting the win was fool's gold.

He beat Vargas and Reid at 154 and Joppy at 160 (*probably with the aid of his illegal handwraps), fair enough good wins, but come on, you can't claim it as something special. The fights that would've been special wins were Hoya, Hopkins and Winky and he looked horrible and was badly outclassed by these guys. Trinidad would get his ass whooped by the best in history whereas Calzaghe would no doubt have a chance up against anyone with is style and intelligence in the ring.

typical Joe fan with poor knowledge of the sport

Trinidad beat the crap outta Whitaker