Duran is not a top ten ATG

[krispy kreme]

Duran is not overrated, along with Whitaker he is one of the greatest lightweights of all time.

[Brandish]

look. if a guy moves up in weight to beat bigger fighters, we should give him extra credit, right? I mean, thats generally what happens...
and enough with the huge font. bolding is fine, but that was just a mess.

so you admit duran did not jump directly from 135 to 147 to face leonard. as long as that little myth got cleared up he should get credit for the victoroy and get slagged for the loss. you don't just measure a fighter by his wins his losses also have to be taken into the equation.

youre really not making much sense. you say 'Duran cant make a career out of that one win over Leonard' and then I gave multiple future and former champs with good credentials to show that Duran has accomplished way more than just that win over Leonard and you discount them. make up your mind.

roy jones, pernell whitaker, sugar ray leoanrd, tommy hearns, and james toney have all defeated more champions then duran what is your point.

are you arguing that duran is a top ten atg based on those medicore champions he beat

Theres no way you could name over 100 fighters that were better than Kobayashi at 130. He wasnt great, hes kind of the equivilant of Mayweather's win over Zab, because he was the former ring champ at his weight class.

ok 100 is a bit much but lets say 40

do you have any idea who Carlos Ortiz and Ismael Laguna even were?

yeah, I know who they are just like I know who kosta tszyu and jose luis castillo are

how was he not championship calibur when his last fight only 5 months before was a close loss to an ATG? geez...

was a palomino a champion when duran fought him, did he become a champ after duran fought him

his single wins dont rank him so high. his collective career from 130 to 168 over almost 30 years is what makes him so great.

you have a legacy you have to take the fighters entire career into perspective, not pick and choose the aspects you want to hype up. too many times people don't want to take duran's losses into account when measuring him all time against his generation.

ok. name me another fighter at 147 and below that could have beaten prime Hearns, Hagler and Leonard. oh right. there is no one. the only one that comes close is Robinson, and I dont think he would have beaten prime Hagler. so I guess the top 5 on the list should just be vacant?

sugar ray robinson
henry armstrong
Muhammad ali
Sugar Ray Leonard
Roy Jones Jr
Marvin Hagler
Floyd Mayweather jr
Bernard Hopkins
Pernell Whitaker
Tommy hearns

duran's accomplsihments career wise does not matchup with these guys

[SalSanchez]

LOL Floyd and B-Pops at your top 10???

[Steak]

so you admit duran did not jump directly from 135 to 147 to face leonard. as long as that little myth got cleared up he should get credit for the victoroy and get slagged for the loss. you don't just measure a fighter by his wins his losses also have to be taken into the equation.

every fighter in your top ten other than Mayweather has had losses. mostly because of what? them fighting above their best weight class or past their best. (Durans losses).

roy jones, pernell whitaker, sugar ray leoanrd, tommy hearns, and james toney have all defeated more champions then duran what is your point.

are you arguing that duran is a top ten atg based on those medicore champions he beat

are you kidding me? many of the guys that Duran beat were the best in the division at one time or another. Palomino, Kobiyashi, Buchanan, and Ray Leonard were all the lineal champs, he beat Buchanan and Leonard while they were champs, and Palomino and Kobayashi one fight after they were champs. not to mention that DeJesus and Lampkin were the #2 guys(behind him) in the division when he beat them. Guts Ishimatsu also went on to become champ after Duran beat him.

ok 100 is a bit much but lets say 40

uh huh. name me 40 guys that were better than him.

was a palomino a champion when duran fought him, did he become a champ after duran fought him

it was 5 months after he was champ.

youre so biased its incredible.

[Brandish]

every fighter in your top ten other than Mayweather has had losses. mostly because of what? them fighting above their best weight class or past their best. (Durans losses).

wrong they lost because a better fighter beat them that night. weight had nothing to do with it. stop making excuses for duran.

are you kidding me? many of the guys that Duran beat were the best in the division at one time or another. Palomino, Kobiyashi, Buchanan, and Ray Leonard were all the lineal champs, he beat Buchanan and Leonard while they were champs, and Palomino and Kobayashi one fight after they were champs. not to mention that DeJesus and Lampkin were the #2 guys(behind him) in the division when he beat them. Guts Ishimatsu also went on to become champ after Duran beat him.

once again that list does not warrant a top ten ATG ranking

it was 5 months after he was champ.

youre so biased its incredible.

5 months is a long time in boxing...just admit he was nothing but a name because he definitely wasn't a force at 147 anymore

[Kid McCoy]

sugar ray robinson
henry armstrong
Muhammad ali
Sugar Ray Leonard
Roy Jones Jr
Marvin Hagler
Floyd Mayweather jr
Bernard Hopkins
Pernell Whitaker
Tommy hearns

duran's accomplsihments career wise does not matchup with these guys

Sam Langford, Harry Greb, Willie Pep, Benny Leonard? There are at least 50 fighters who deserve to be rated above PBF. You are clueless.

[Steak]

wrong they lost because a better fighter beat them that night. weight had nothing to do with it. stop making excuses for duran.

what the hell are weight classes there for if they dont matter? pfft.

once again that list does not warrant a top ten ATG ranking

alright then.
Durans win over Barkley>Mayweathers win over De La Hoya
Durans win over Palomino>anyone Mayweather beat at 147
Durans win over Moore>Mayweathers win over Corrales
Durans win over Leonard>Mayweathers wins over Castillo
Durans win over Buchanan>Mayweathers win over Gerano Hernandez

[Jim Jeffries]

sugar ray robinson
henry armstrong
Muhammad ali
Sugar Ray Leonard
Roy Jones Jr
Marvin Hagler
Floyd Mayweather jr
Bernard Hopkins
Pernell Whitaker
Tommy hearns

duran's accomplsihments career wise does not matchup with these guys

So this is your top 10 ATG list? Hmmm.... I wonder what they all have in common . I suppose your next thread will be why Willie Pep is not a top 10 ATG.

[crold1]

Duran is not overrated, along with Whitaker he is one of the greatest lightweights of all time.

He IS the greatest Lightweight of all-time.

[-Swizzy-]

Great fighterbut highly overrated. like oscar he lost to most of the ATG's he faced

went 1-5 agianst the fab five

1. leonard- was 1-2 qon a close split decision in the first fight quit in embarrassing fashion in the rematch

2. Hagler--lost a wide UD

3. Benitez--lost a wide UD

4. Hearns-- brutal ko

was 12-7 in championship fights, only amassed 12 title defenses out of 100 + fights.

at the time he was fighting he was not considered the best, so how can people now want to turn around and say he had a better career then ray and tommy when he didn't do much after beating leaonard the first time at the age of 29

you don't know anything