Duran is not a top ten ATG

[hammerhiem]

Duran is a surefire top 10 ATG for anyone who knows what they talking about. he fits in nicely somewhere between 6-9.

[Enemy/Friend]

blackirish you are a GREAT poster

T97 is that you?

[oldgringo]

Christ, thank god for Blackirish and manchine and tua. Pure bull**** in this thread otherwise.

[MELLY-MEL...]

slap yourself. duran is legend!!!!!

[Eric Holder]

Leonard=One of the best ever at 147lbs
Hearns=The best ever at 154lbs(maybe McCallum)
Hagler=The best ever at 160lbs(maybe Monzon)

youre really going to count these kind of losses against Duran? the guy was a Lightweight.

notable wins?
1. Ernesto Marcel, future featherweight champ, first man to beat Alexis Arguello. Duran beat him at 130lbs, and when he was a teenager.
2. Former long reigning 130lb champ Hiroshi Kobayashi
3. 43-1 champ Ken Buchanan, who had wins over Ismael Laguna, Carlos Hernandez and went on to beat an older Carlos Ortiz
4. 2 wins over future champ Esteban DeJesus
5. Dominant win over Carlos Palomino, who had taken Benitez to a split decision in his last fight and was a Welterweight champ
6. An unbeaten Ray Leonard, and I dont think I need explain anything here. Leonard is at least in the top 5 of the Welterweight division of all time.
7. Former Welterweight champ Pipino Cuevas
8. Unbeaten Light Middleweight champ Davey Moore, who went on to beat Benitez
9. Iran Barkley, who was coming off his KO win over Hearns and went on to beat Hearns again and become a three division champ.
10. A win over Jorge Fernando Castro, a former champ who went on to have a run at Cruiserweight. Duran beat him when he was 46, and when Castro was ranked in the top 5 at Middleweight at the time.

and these are just some of the names on Duran's record. and keep in mind that during most the time that Duran was fighting, there were only 2 major belts instead of the laughable 4 that we have today. in other words...it was way harder to become a world champ than it is today.

good post bro

[Brandish]

youre really going to count these kind of losses against Duran? the guy was a Lightweight.

duran was not a lightweight when he fought leonard, as a matter of fact duran hadn't fought at the lightweight limit for 2 years when he stepped in the ring against leonard why the exaggeration and myths when it comes to duran? he was not a lightweight when he fought leonard I repeat he had fought at 147 for 2 years before the leonard fight
notable wins?

1. Ernesto Marcel, future featherweight champ, first man to beat Alexis Arguello. Duran beat him at 130lbs, and when he was a teenager.

ernesto marcel is not in the HOF and anyone can get lucky it is what you do with your entire career that counts. so beating arguello doesn't certify marcel as a great fighter just another name on the slide when he fought duran

2. Former long reigning 130lb champ Hiroshi Kobayashi

you must be joking, this is why i say the guy is overrated so much how can you count kobayashi as some great victory who has he ever beaten, or what has he done that was significant in his career

3. 43-1 champ Ken Buchanan, who had wins over Ismael Laguna, Carlos Hernandez and went on to beat an older Carlos Ortiz4. 2 wins over future champ Esteban DeJesus

ken buchanan and what was his claim to fame again, oh that's right people duran beats automatically are great. ken is in the hof so I will give you that one.

5. Dominant win over Carlos Palomino, who had taken Benitez to a split decision in his last fight and was a Welterweight champ

oh please palomino was finished when he fought duran, and you know it. that's like kosta tszyu beating julio ceaser chavez

6. An unbeaten Ray Leonard, and I dont think I need explain anything here. Leonard is at least in the top 5 of the Welterweight division of all time.

so beating ray leonard 1 time makes him the 5th best fighter of all time eventhough you probaly rate ray at around 10-15 all time? duran nuthuggers are pathetic.

7. Former Welterweight champ Pipino Cuevas

yep pipino was a goodf fightewr in his prime, but after hearns got hold of him he was finished, once again duran did not beat pipon when he was in his prime he was just a name when duran beat him

8. Unbeaten Light Middleweight champ Davey Moore, who went on to beat Benitez

you mean 11-0 davey moore hardly the champ as you say he just held an alphabet belt

9. Iran Barkley, who was coming off his KO win over Hearns and went on to beat Hearns again and become a three division champ.

another good win hardly makes you top 5 atg though

10. A win over Jorge Fernando Castro, a former champ who went on to have a run at Cruiserweight. Duran beat him when he was 46, and when Castro was ranked in the top 5 at Middleweight at the time.

please castro is not nor ever will be considered top 25 atg at middle but once again because duran beat him he must be a great fighter. totally ridiculous.

and these are just some of the names on Duran's record. and keep in mind that during most the time that Duran was fighting, there were only 2 major belts instead of the laughable 4 that we have today. in other words...it was way harder to become a world champ than it is today.

please clarify your statements, the IBF was introduced in 1980 so there were three title organizations during the time duran left lightweight and moved to welterweight. so please no excuses. as to why he could beat davey moore and iran barkley but wasn't good enough to defend either title same goes for his title win at 147 not one defence

no way you can be top 5 and not have cleaned out more than one division.

[SickmyDuck]

Floyd`s resume>>>>>>>>>>Duran`s resume

[-MAKAVELLI-]

damn....and now, even Duran is getting hated on.....

[Jim Jeffries]

no way you can be top 5 and not have cleaned out more than one division.

So Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali are disqualified? Marvin Hagler isn't an ATG?

There isn't just one particular thing that make Duran a top 10 ATG, there are many. Going through them one by one and saying "beating an undefeated SRL doesn't make you an ATG" is a bit silly.

[Scott9945]

benitez - super welterweight

leonard - welterweight

hearns - super welterweight

hagler - middleweight

duran is a LIGHTWEIGHT.

for 12 years duran's only loss was to esteban dejesus. (which he avenged a couple of years later)

he was also the first man to ever beat sugar ray leonard. a prime sugar ray leonard.

threadstarter is a moron.

You said it all right there. Duran at his peak was clearly an all time great. Threads like this make it easy to seperate those who know boxing rather than just follow their favorites.