How to get fighters to fight in their Natural Weight classes...would this work?

[hookoutofhell]

i dont think there anything wrong with the way the system is now. imo its better for fight fans and better for the fighters health.

no i dont think we should bring back 15 rounds, i just ant see that happneing, its not healthy and the icident with ray mancini means we're unlikely to see 15 rounds again.

same day weigh ins is one way but fighters would dehydrate on the same day and that can lead to really damaging the fighters health especially if they get inot the ring not 100% and not fully hydrated. as someone said above it does affect the fighters ability to take a shot.

i know where you're coming from having guys like williams and marg who come fight night and they are MW's take on someone like cotto is slightly unfair but imo its the best way. besides if cotto lost some of that baby fat hed be abe to weigh in 154+ come fight night. remember that fighters like williams and marg really put themselves through the works during training and maybe because of that they do deserve that slight edge.

[lefthook2daliva]

What needs to happen is go back to the 8 weight divisons.

Less divisons would be the answer and 15 rounds need to be brought back

I agree w/having a smaller number of classes and I wonder if the longer bouts would be incentive for fighters to come in at more natural weights. Seems like the stamina required for 15 rounds would be more likely to occur if a fighters weight didn't fluctuate so wildly so close to the day of the fight. Seems like the strategies would have to change in favor of having a fighter in an overall healthier state? Thoughts?

[Left Hook Tua]

Lineage is the reason why....
and Every Fighter will tell you that the WBC is the official belt of Boxing..

what lineage?

back in the days yes. not anymore.

look at the best fighter of each division and the belts they hold

heavyweight - wladimir klitschko (wbo/ibf)
cruiserweight - tomasz adamek (ibf)
light heavyweight - joe calzaghe
super middleweight - mikkel kessler (wba)
middleweight - kelly pavlik (wbc/wbo)
super welterweight - paul williams
welterweight - antonio margarito (wba)
super lightweight - ricky hatton
lightweight - nate campbell (wba/ibf/wbo)
super featherweight - humberto soto (wbc)
featherweight - chris john (wba)
super bantamweight - israel vazquez (wbc)
bantamweight - gerry penalosa (wbo)
super flyweight - vic darchinyan (wba/wbc/ibf)
flyweight - nonito donaire (ibf)
junior flyweight - ivan calderon (wbo)
strawweight - roman gonzalez (wbo)

out of 17 divisions , only 4 of the best in that division is wbc champ.

[Pullcounter]

This topic was brought up with the Pac vs. Floyd possible fight.

Pac weighs in at 147 for his 135 pound fights. This past fight he weighed in at 149 {correct me if I'm wrong}. When Pac fights at 140, he will probably stick at 149 for his fight time weight. How is he able to do this? Like most fighters, they dehydrate for the weigh-in and then rehydrate by fight time. So, they are not 140 pound fighters by fight time.

Floyd, who fights at 147, fights at around 149 come fight time.

So why is one fighter fighting at 135-140 division, and the other at 147 division?

And why is it that fighters at 135 can weigh-in at 147 come fight time?

Or in other words, why was Pac allowed to fight at 135...or Margarito who weighs like 160 pounds by fight time allowed to fight as a Welterweight?


So I wonder...If, they were to make new rules up could it change the face of boxing for the better. Not only to make it more fair for the fighters to face fighters their own weight, but for the safety of the fighters as well since we wouldn't have to have fighters draining themselves and trying to put back weight on for the fight. Or over-training themselves during the training camp to make weight. Remember Gatti vs. Gamache?

For example: We have Floyd and Pac, both weigh 149 pounds for their fights. 149 is closer to 147 so let's put them in the Welterweight class. They can lose two pounds.

Rules: A fighter must weigh-in at 147 one day before the fight or, 147 the day of the fight. If a Fighter is over the 147 limit by the next weigh-in, which will be 3 hours before the fight, he will be deducted money from his paycheck...unless, it is put in the contract for a 5 pound wiggle room. If that is the case, then anything over 5 pounds you are deducted money. And, if you are over that 5 pound limit and the opponent no longer once to fight you because of the unfair advantage and now since we have to cancel the fight...you are suspended from boxing for 1 year. I'll think about if I want to make it harsher to avoid what I just said. Maybe 2-3 years might kick their ass in gear to stay on weight.

This way, fighters will have to fight at their healthy weight. Because if they don't, one of two things will happen: One, if they don't make weight and are over the limit, they are out of work for the next 1-3 years. In this case, I'm for the 5 pound wiggle room. Two: If they have to over-train and drain themselves for the fight because they wanted an unfair advantage of fighting a smaller opponent, they will wind up like Oscar; dead by fight time.

It's the fighter’s risk. So what will he choose? Fighting at a healthy weight or taking the risk of showing up dead by fight time?





Add your thoughts and corrections.

it won't work. money marg will still try and make 147 on the day of the fight and he'll hurt himself doing it. The advantage of being the bigger guy is just too good because money marg is nothing without his size advantage. money marg is just an example of what most boxers and their team thinks.

in the end this won't solve anything.

[Benny Leonard]

it won't work. money marg will still try and make 147 on the day of the fight and he'll hurt himself doing it. The advantage of being the bigger guy is just too good because money marg is nothing without his size advantage. money marg is just an example of what most boxers and their team thinks.

in the end this won't solve anything.

In the End; it's on the fighter to come in Healthy

[Pullcounter]

In the End; it's on the fighter to come in Healthy

They don't care they will make weight as long as they can because the size advantage is what some of them need to succeed.

[Benny Leonard]

They don't care they will make weight as long as they can because the size advantage is what some of them need to succeed.

True, but new rules could hurt them and they will either have to adapt, leave, or suffer the consequences. In the end, it's their choice.

[freedom213]

Margaret goodmanm vegas fight physician, seems to think this is a good idea in an article she wrote in the ring.

http://www.thering-online.com/blog/4..._boxer_safety/

great article well put

[pistol whip]

They don't care they will make weight as long as they can because the size advantage is what some of them need to succeed.

Show me one shred of evidence that weight is even an issue for Tony?


In fact Tony would probably be one of the few fighters that a rule change like this would not effect one bit.

[Benny Leonard]

http://www.ringtv.com/blog/41/5_step..._boxer_safety/

interesting.....................