How to get fighters to fight in their Natural Weight classes...would this work?

[Benny Leonard]

Not really.

And again, everybody fights under the same rules and the same advantages/Disadvantages.

You just made this thread, because of Floyd nothing more.

back then they had their system, now is a dfferent one. Still people fight under the same rules.

Floyd was the easy choice and it reappeared with Floyd and the discussion. But it started way before him.

And it doesn't matter because Floyd will do what he wants to do like he is now. And if Floyd does come back, how long will that last? He always has one foot out the door.

And tomorrow we can have a different system.

[BattlingNelson]

Thanks for the link

Was that the norm?


Government can set the rule. Have one set standard rule or maybe it will fall to the State...as well as the fighters agreeing on it.

I don't know...everything I thought of at the moment is on my thread although I think I left out what I just added with having a Doctor give a physical the day of the fight to check the fighter's health.


Either way...it should be at least discussed and have Doctors opinion on the matter with promoters left out of the discussion. Fighters can be heard.

I would be in favor of the idea carefully being written out and passed along to the fighters and have them vote on it to see what they say. If they say it is cool the way it is now...I'm OK with it. But the idea should be at least brought up since fighters usually just follow suit.

I don't thnk there was an exact norm. Later I think the norm was given by the variuos governing bodies.

I hear your arguments for a rules change regarding weigh-in procedures and that might be appropriate. I doubt if anyone would say that the rules of today is perfect, but it is the general belief (I think), that todays standard is better than the standards pre Kim-Mancini.

I would think a possible change could be an extra weigh-in some 12 or six hours before fight-time. The rules for that weigh-in could be that a fighter is only allowed to gain say 10% or something. That might keep Arthur Abraham and others from making those risky dehydrations.

[C.Y.]

great thread.. very interesting


we need less divisions and i think we should have 1 or 2 belts at the most for each division..

they could expand the weight range of certain divisions to deal with the weight issue or like the starter of the thread suggested docking pay from the purse as a penalty of a fighter weighing in like 20 pounds over the agreed weight limit the day of the fight is a good idea

[Benny Leonard]

I don't thnk there was an exact norm. Later I think the norm was given by the variuos governing bodies.

I hear your arguments for a rules change regarding weigh-in procedures and that might be appropriate. I doubt if anyone would say that the rules of today is perfect, but it is the general belief (I think), that todays standard is better than the standards pre Kim-Mancini.

I would think a possible change could be an extra weigh-in some 12 or six hours before fight-time. The rules for that weigh-in could be that a fighter is only allowed to gain say 10% or something. That might keep Arthur Abraham and others from making those risky dehydrations.

Hmmm...wasn't there a weigh-in the day of the Hatton vs. Tszyu fight or was that the day before?
Noon time I think.

IBF rules?

[TheGreatA]

List of boxing deaths:

http://ejmas.com/jcs/jcsart_svinth_b_0700.htm

Doesn't seem like the day before weigh-in's and 12 rounders affected the death statistics one bit. There are actually more cases of fighters being dehydrated with the new rules.

Look at Gerald McClellan for example, he was known to dehydrate himself and put on around 20 lbs after the weigh-in's.

[BattlingNelson]

List of boxing deaths:

http://ejmas.com/jcs/jcsart_svinth_b_0700.htm

Doesn't seem like the day before weigh-in's and 12 rounders affected the death statistics one bit. There are actually more cases of fighters being dehydrated with the new rules.

Look at Gerald McClellan for example, he was known to dehydrate himself and put on around 20 lbs after the weigh-in's.

To gauge that properly you would have to test ring fatalities in percent of championship fights in the new regime in contrast to the old. I haven't seen such a statistic.

[TheGreatA]

In the 1960's when there were more critics of boxing than probably at any point in history who campaigned for boxing to be abolished, there were around 55 ring deaths.

In the 1990's there were also 55 ring deaths, not including severe brain injuries such as Gerald McClellan, Michael Watson, Akeem Anifowoshe, etc.

[TheGreatA]

To gauge that properly you would have to test ring fatalities in percent of championship fights in the new regime in contrast to the old. I haven't seen such a statistic.

I believe there were no ring deaths in championship fights during the 1950's and 1970's.

[BattlingNelson]

In the 1960's when there were more critics of boxing than probably at any point in history who campaigned for boxing to be abolished, there were around 55 ring deaths.

In the 1990's there were also 55 ring deaths, not including severe brain injuries such as Gerald McClellan, Michael Watson, Akeem Anifowoshe, etc.

As a slight side note to that statistic I take the liberty to speculate that many signifikant injuries due to prolonged beatings are caused by fighters being on EPO. That greatly enhances stamina so when your body under normal conditions would have given up it just continues.

But that's really not what this thread is about

[BattlingNelson]

I believe there were no ring deaths in championship fights during the 1950's and 1970's.

Are you sure? I think I remember Jörg Eipel being braininjured by Alain Marion and wasn't there a guy named Jacopucci or something? And those cases is Europe only.