People consider Marquez better than Pac? Well who has he beat?

[boxingsmash69]

The same happened with R. Marquez/Vazquez, Cotto/Margarito , and tons of other fights in the history of the sport, you gotta love it.

who would win: (p4p wise, no natural weight involved, assume everyone is in same weight class, p4p)

a fusion of Pac/Marquez,

VERSUS

a fusion of Jones/Hopkins.


i take RoyKins by SD over Pacquez.

[NoFear24]

There is no comparison between the two when it comes to their records. During his prime Marquez had piss poor management, like Joe Calzaghe type management, that kept him from ever being able to shine the way he should have.

When it comes to skills, I think Marquez is overall the better fighter : I.E.- More skills. He's much more gifted and technically sound than Pacquiao, he does nearly everything better. And the only thing that's cost him against Pacquiao has been his balls and willingness to scrap, because Pac's power and speed always put him on the deck.

But in terms of actual skill, Marquez has the edge IMO, and I know I'm not alone in thinking this. Back when they first fought in what? 04? He schooled Pacquiao, almost embarassed him. Granted Pac was only a lefty then, and has improved a lot since that fight.

Anyways, I think skill wise Marquez is the better fighter. But Pac has the better record.

JMM is not the better fighter. JMM is the better technical BOXER. PAC is the better Fighter. Comparing their skills, I would have to go to Pac, because overall he is the better fighter. Just because your not a techincal boxer, doesn't make you a bad fighter or boxer overall. Chin, Speed, Power, quickness, upperbody movement, footwork makes Pac the overall better fighter. Marquez is the more patient boxer with great counter ability. If Pac doesn't engage, Marquez won't fight.

A 3rd fight might happen, but not for awhile. If Pac fights him again and wins, he will get no credit because even if he does beat him more convincingly this time, he won't get any credit due to people saying Marquez is shot or something in that matter.

Right now Pac is at the stage of huge money fights that will also boost his legacy even more to the next level. Starting with a Hatton fight. Hatton is still fresh an hungry and he has Floyd Sr with him, which would give Pac a good fight no matter what happens.

Fighting JMM adds little to his legacy because if he beats him again, what does that prove? Nothing, because he already beat him and even beat him the first time if it wasn't for that bad judging in the first round. JMM will have to wait because fighting Hatton is a much bigger obstacles and bigger rewards on the other side both for money and legacy.

[horge]

who would win: (p4p wise, no natural weight involved, assume everyone is in same weight class, p4p)

a fusion of Pac/Marquez,
VERSUS
a fusion of Jones/Hopkins.


i take RoyKins by SD over Pacquez.

Good heavens. Pacquez.
LOL... good one.

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Marquez has superior technique to Pacman, even today.
He should have beat Pac handily the first time.
He should have clearly beat Pac the second too.
He should beat pac if they meet again... but he won't.
Instead of overwhelming wins for JMM, the first two were close fights.

We have a "one-dimensional" boxer who's somehow built an impressive record.
We have one boxer with massive skills, incomprehensively failing to deliver.
Why? Pick almost any point in JMM's career and you'll find questions.
Whether it was Nacho's ******ity or Marquez's lack of stones,
JMM turned down a Pac rematch worth 6 figures, just to fight
ChrisJ in Indonesia for bus fare. He lost to Chris too. Again, why?
Does it really matter why?

For whatever reason(s), JMM's record is rather thin compared to Pac's,
and his record against Pac specifically is pretty disappinting.
For all of his vanted skills, Marquez may be remembered more as a
coulda/shoulda been great, someone who coulda/shoulda been
dishing out beatdowns on chamions in their primes... but didn't.
Over the length of his career, that can be no one's fault but his own.

If Pac deigns to give Marquez another chance, it may be the same thing
all over again: a close fight, likely a SD --although KO's do happen, and
between them, I think Pac has the better odds (and record) of
staying off the canvas.

All of you way-overboard Marquez fanatics, you think about that
while you reverse-cowboy your idol, you ****suckers.
You give the intelligent Marquez fans a bad rep.

h.

[HendrixLove]

who would win: (p4p wise, no natural weight involved, assume everyone is in same weight class, p4p)

a fusion of Pac/Marquez,

VERSUS

a fusion of Jones/Hopkins.


i take RoyKins by SD over Pacquez.

Damn that's a good one and I'd probably also take Roykins in that one by UD decision but who knows.

[HendrixLove]

Good heavens. Pacquez.
LOL... good one.

-=-=-=-=-=-

Marquez has superior technique to Pacman, even today.
He should have beat Pac handily the first time.
He should have clearly beat Pac the second too.
He should beat pac if they meet again... but he won't.
Instead of overwhelming wins for JMM, the first two were close fights.

We have one boxer with massive skills, incomprehensively failing to deliver.
We have a "one-dimensional" boxer who's somehow built an impressive record.
Why? Pick almost any point in his career and you'll find questions.
Whether it was Nacho's ******ity or Marquez's lack of stones,
JMM turned down a Pac rematch worth 6 figures, just to fight
ChrisJ in Indonesia for bus fare. He lost to Chris too. Again, why?
Does it really matter why?

For whatever reason(s), JMM's record is rather thin compared to Pac's,
and his record against Pac specifically is pretty disappinting.
For all of his vanted skills, Marquez may be remembered more as a
coulda/shoulda been great, someone who coulda/shoulda been
dishing out beatdowns on chamions in their primes... but didn't.
Over the length of his career, that can be no one's fault but his own.

If Pac deigns to give Marquez another chance, it may be the same thing
all over again: a close fight, likely a SD --although KO's do happen, and between them, I'd think Pac has the better odds (and record) of
staying off the canvas.

All of you way-overboard Marquez fanatics, you think about that
while you reverse-cowboy your idol, you ****suckers.

h.

Pac beating Marquez twice is merely an opinion. Pac has the better record but got a draw and barley beat a guy with a lesser record by one point. Pac was the one that got the opportunitys that Marquez didn't, but people can make a case that Marquez would have beaten everyone on his resume. As it stands both have unfinished business, and to say that it should not happen because some would say Marquez was shot if he'd lose is a dumb excuse. Now think about that while you give birth to Manny's babies

[Pullcounter]

Hmmmm

There are many Marquez nuthuggers in these forums like Xcaret who keep discrediting Pacquiao's win over Oscar and all the other fighters he's beaten.

But they fail completely to ask their own man who HE has beat.

lets look at Marquez's best wins shall we?

UD over Rocky Juarez (an undercard fighter)
UD over Barrera (The same guy Manny shut out)
and a loss/win to a WEIGHT DRAINED Pacquiao (went down 2...TWO...TWO weight classes to fight Marquez. And marquez still lost.

And even if he did win via close split decision the fact remains that pacquiao went down TWO weight classes to fight him.

Again,look at his pic in "feedback" above you. The guy looks like a fricking skull!

So if you Marquez fans are going to discredit Pacquiao, you'll be discrediting Marquez aswell.

IMO Pacquiao is 3 steps above JMM when it comes to greatness... Duran is one or 2 steps above Pac.

Anything you Pac haters wanna say?

nobody smart thinks that jmm is better than pac... that's why everyone's p4p list starts w/ pac at #1 and jmm at #2