Since when has Oscar been SHOT?

[MOREBASS]

Its people subconsciously attempting to discredit Manny's phenomenal performance.

I agree completely with the original poster.


Now I'm hearing things about dehydration being the deciding factor, and that Oscar is a shot fighter, and all of this other nonsense.


It was a masterful performance, and the speed was just too much for Oscar to handle. Simple as that. Sure there were other factors that probably had an impact, but there are in every fight, and all they really are, are victim statements.


Somebody please explain to me, if Oscar was so 'dehydrated', then why did he only gain 2 pounds in between the weigh in and fight night ? With the money that he has and all of the professional nutritional help, he's definitely not just sitting in the sauna losing all water weight.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

so somewhere in between Floyd and Forbes he became shot?



was it in the floyd fight? the best p4p fighter barely eeked out a split decision against a shot fighter?

or did Forbes damage him that bad?


surely it has nothing to do with Manny right?

[adrsan84]

I think we all knew he wasn't in his prime anymore when he struggled to get by former contender runner up Stevie Forbes. But that doesn't mean Pacquiao shouldn't get credit for his victory. He had to execute the perfect game plan and be physically prepared to dish out the kind of beating that he gave Oscar. It doesn't just have to be one thing or the other, Oscar's deteriorated state and Manny's awesome performance add up to the ass whooping we saw last saturday.

The only way I will even consider a conspiracy theory which has been mentioned, is if Pac becomes a golden boy partner and somehow makes DLH millions of dollars. And eve then I'd be iffy about it, why would De La Hoya tarnish his career that way, when there are plenty of other cash cows he could have developed, example; Victor Ortiz.

[Sin City]

Even though he won the Forbes fight he looked sluggish and didn't look good at all.
A younger Oscar would have done much better against Mayweather as well.
I knew he was past it but didn't think he was this far past it.
Make no mistake.. Oscar is shot but Manny also deserves a lot of respect and credit for taking out a man 4 weight classes higher then he normally fights at.

[extracurRICular]

Two main excuses for this fight:

1. Oscar is Shot
2. The fight is fixed


How about Pacquiao is a storm??

Its people subconsciously attempting to discredit Manny's phenomenal performance.

I agree completely with the original poster.


Now I'm hearing things about dehydration being the deciding factor, and that Oscar is a shot fighter, and all of this other nonsense.


It was a masterful performance, and the speed was just too much for Oscar to handle. Simple as that. Sure there were other factors that probably had an impact, but there are in every fight, and all they really are, are victim statements.


Somebody please explain to me, if Oscar was so 'dehydrated', then why did he only gain 2 pounds in between the weigh in and fight night ? With the money that he has and all of the professional nutritional help, he's definitely not just sitting in the sauna losing all water weight.

so somewhere in between Floyd and Forbes he became shot?



was it in the floyd fight? the best p4p fighter barely eeked out a split decision against a shot fighter?

or did Forbes damage him that bad?


surely it has nothing to do with Manny right?

It had all to do with Manny...Manny exposed the fact that Oscar was shot...don't get me wrong the PacMan is a warrior and he is the best P4P...Manny distroyed the fighter they put in front of him...he did his part...and he is a legend...the fact that DLH is shot does not take away from what Pac accomplished on sat...a lesser fighter (Forbes) would not have been able to expose this as clearly as Manny did...

[Jambo boy]

Even though he won the Forbes fight he looked sluggish and didn't look good at all.
A younger Oscar would have done much better against Mayweather as well.
I knew he was past it but didn't think he was this far past it.
Make no mistake.. Oscar is shot but Manny also deserves a lot of respect and credit for taking out a man 4 weight classes higher then he normally fights at.

Exactly, all credit to pac man but you cannot seriously have watched that fight and not thought at some point that de la hoya has lost the plot.

Call it what you want but he isn't the same fighter that he once was. I'd say that for once on this site the term shot is applicable in ODLH's case.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

It had all to do with Manny...Manny exposed the fact that Oscar was shot...don't get me wrong the PacMan is a warrior and he is the best P4P...Manny distroyed the fighter they put in front of him...he did his part...and he is a legend...the fact that DLH is shot does not take away from what Pac accomplished on sat...a lesser fighter (Forbes) would not have been able to expose this as clearly as Manny did...

free tacos last night...about f'n time we held a team under 100

[Sinisterevo]

when you lose a fight that you should not have and are embarassed in the process then you know.

Manny is a beast and a pleasure to watch since he trains hard and comes to fight. but I hope he doesn't let a win against a fighter who was not his best(by a long shot) make him content.
Hopefully he doesn't think he belongs at welterweight and goes back down.
His next fight against Hatton at 140 is a fight he can win but will not be nowhere as easy as this one was.

[Benny Leonard]

I don't think he was "Shot" even though Freddie was basically calling him that.
I thought he was obviously past his prime for Floyd, but not Shot.

What made Oscar messed up for the fight with Manny was all in his preparation to make 147. Not only did he make 147 after 7 years away from that division, he showed up at 145 (supposedly) and then by fight time showed up at 147...WTF.

He killed himself to make weight. He was drained and you can't fight effective if you are drained. Not only does your body not work right, your mind doesn't work right either; there is a lot of confusion with Mind and Body because it has just been stressed to the max limit.

That's one of the dangers a Doctor listed with the making weight issue.

[Benny Leonard]

Its people subconsciously attempting to discredit Manny's phenomenal performance.

I agree completely with the original poster.


Now I'm hearing things about dehydration being the deciding factor, and that Oscar is a shot fighter, and all of this other nonsense.


It was a masterful performance, and the speed was just too much for Oscar to handle. Simple as that. Sure there were other factors that probably had an impact, but there are in every fight, and all they really are, are victim statements.


Somebody please explain to me, if Oscar was so 'dehydrated', then why did he only gain 2 pounds in between the weigh in and fight night ? With the money that he has and all of the professional nutritional help, he's definitely not just sitting in the sauna losing all water weight.

He over-trained and dieted down too much. First, he shouldn't have fought at 147 to begin with; this was a brilliant move by Freddie as usual. You don't go back down in weight at Oscar's age, especially when you haven't made that weight in over 7 years...and had to move up because you didn't feel healthy at that weight to begin with.

It wasn't about the rehydrating factor as much as it was dieting down and losing muscle. I seriously couldn't believe people were telling me Oscar just showed up at 147 by fight time. I at least expected him to show up at 157 after rehydrating but he didn't. Credit to the poster who said Oscar looked like Skeletor at the weigh-in.



And if you are going to listen to someone: LISTEN TO FREDDIE ROACH.