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  • BMWM3P
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    #51
    Originally posted by El Jesus
    He ignored cotto and retired after he fought hatton. He basically settled his nemesis from 140 and retired. Sure floyd runs his mouth about being the best and this and that, but so what, he has a place in history, just not as high as he thinks, its not that big of a deal. When cotto starts taking challanges at 160, 4 divisions up from where he started, then we will see how you feel then. Mayweather basically didint take on guys that were way bigger than him, and you are faulting mayweather for not fighting guys 3 times his size, calling him a ***** basically. Thats fine, just remember that cotto and mayweathers careers almost mirror each other, both moved up one division and established themselves in nearly the same fashion.

    Again mayweather is already great, he already has a place in history, although he didint take on the best welterweights of the time, it doesnt erase who he was as a fighter, much to your dismay.

    Cotto isn't bigger than Floyd, they are both about the same size. And if Floyd ever had a nemesis, I would think it would be Cotto rather than Hatton. Mayweather is good he will never be great, he chose to end his career in his prime when there were still many question he needed to answer.

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    • El Jesus
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      #52
      Originally posted by BMWM3P
      Cotto isn't bigger than Floyd, they are both about the same size. And if Floyd ever had a nemesis, I would think it would be Cotto rather than Hatton. Mayweather is good he will never be great, he chose to end his career in his prime when there were still many question he needed to answer.
      To have a nemesis, you need to have history. Hatton and Mayweather had that, going back to i think 04, and definately heated up in 05. Cotto and Mayweather talk only began after Cotto beat Shane Mosley and Mayweather stopped Hatton only to see Mayweather retire. Cotto also didint really go out of his way to say much about mayweather either way. Cotto is mayweathers nemsis because you are a fan of him, but thats about it. Cotto could care less about floyd.

      The only question about Mayweathers career was how long he could keep his untouchable momentum against bigger guys, there was no question about his skills or his ability to dominate, but as he got older he fought less against credible competition, however he should have left welterweight if he wasnt going to fight any of the other contenders, but thats really the only thing i hold against him.

      And yes, Cotto is clearly bigger than floyd i dont know how you dont see that. they arent the same size. Cotto is a bigger guy by far, he struggled to make 140 when floyd was MOVING to that division, cotto was draining himself to make it, come on now.
      Last edited by El Jesus; 12-07-2008, 06:24 PM.

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        #53
        Originally posted by BMWM3P
        Cotto isn't bigger than Floyd
        Floyd is taller than Cotto by about 1 inch.



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        • Brandish
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          #54
          And stil he was a welterweight champion, who was considered the best ww by many including you. If he wants to be great, why doesn't he fight the best.
          are you trying to say floyd wasn't the ring lineal 147 champion

          I know it hurts:****you:

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            #55
            Originally posted by Brandish
            are you trying to say floyd wasn't the ring lineal 147 champion

            I know it hurts:****you:
            And who did he actually beat for the lineal championship? The answer is Carlos Baldomir, do you actually consider that to be an accomplishment.

            Face it Floyd has hyped himself to the point, where he doesn't have to do anything for idiots like you to consider him the greatest. Fact is he isn't even great.

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            • BMWM3P
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              #56
              Originally posted by El Jesus
              To have a nemesis, you need to have history. Hatton and Mayweather had that, going back to i think 04, and definately heated up in 05. Cotto and Mayweather talk only began after Cotto beat Shane Mosley and Mayweather stopped Hatton only to see Mayweather retire. Cotto also didint really go out of his way to say much about mayweather either way. Cotto is mayweathers nemsis because you are a fan of him, but thats about it. Cotto could care less about floyd.

              The only question about Mayweathers career was how long he could keep his untouchable momentum against bigger guys, there was no question about his skills or his ability to dominate, but as he got older he fought less against credible competition, however he should have left welterweight if he wasnt going to fight any of the other contenders, but thats really the only thing i hold against him.

              And yes, Cotto is clearly bigger than floyd i dont know how you dont see that. they arent the same size. Cotto is a bigger guy by far, he struggled to make 140 when floyd was MOVING to that division, cotto was draining himself to make it, come on now.
              Cotto was a stablemate of Mayweather and they never liked each other. Arum was giving Cotto a lot of attention and baby Floyd didn't like that. So they competition was there and it was clear that Arum wanted to match them up against each other in the future. So that being said the history between them was much greater than with Hatton if it ever existed at all Hatton only said a dumb comment after a fight and Floyd jumped all over it because he knew he could beat him. Does that make Hatton a nemesis?

              Cotto is thicker than Mayweather but Mayweather is actually taller. And if there is a size difference it is pretty much miniscule.

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                #57
                And who did he actually beat for the lineal championship? The answer is Carlos Baldomir, do you actually consider that to be an accomplishment.

                Face it Floyd has hyped himself to the point, where he doesn't have to do anything for idiots like you to consider him the greatest. Fact is he isn't even great.
                carlos baldomir had been undefeated for 8 years of course that was a good victory only a real idiot like yourself would think otherwise.

                and the question is who did margartio beat at 147 for his wbo title, that's right julio diaz do you really consider that an accomplishment

                you can try and discredit carlos baldomir because he is not a name but he stepped up and beat the fighters he needed to get floyd in the ring.

                what did margarioto do besides fight manuel gomez and lose to paul williams.

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                • Brandish
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                  #58
                  Cotto was a stablemate of Mayweather and they never liked each other. Arum was giving Cotto a lot of attention and baby Floyd didn't like that. So they competition was there and it was clear that Arum wanted to match them up against each other in the future.
                  please post a link or is this your fantasy interpretation

                  So that being said
                  you didn't say anything you typed a bunch of bull**** you made up


                  the history between them was much greater than with Hatton
                  I'm sorry but did cotto defeat kosta tsyzu or was it ricky hatton, and I do remember floyd asking hatton to fight him at 140

                  if it ever existed at all Hatton only said a dumb comment after a fight and Floyd jumped all over it because he knew he could beat him. Does that make Hatton a nemesis?
                  wow what an idiot you are, everyone knows the beef floyd and ricky had since 05. floyd wanted tszyu and ricky spoiled it. and floyd knew he could beat hatton at 140 that's why the fight never took place at 140


                  Cotto is thicker than Mayweather but Mayweather is actually taller. And if there is a size difference it is pretty much miniscule.
                  what a stan, is that why cotto started at 130

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                  • BMWM3P
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Brandish
                    please post a link or is this your fantasy interpretation



                    you didn't say anything you typed a bunch of bull**** you made up




                    I'm sorry but did cotto defeat kosta tsyzu or was it ricky hatton, and I do remember floyd asking hatton to fight him at 140



                    wow what an idiot you are, everyone knows the beef floyd and ricky had since 05. floyd wanted tszyu and ricky spoiled it. and floyd knew he could beat hatton at 140 that's why the fight never took place at 140




                    what a stan, is that why cotto started at 130

                    I don't need a link you dumb *****, if you actually followed boxing you would know this. Cotto and Mayweather both fought for Top Rank and it is a known fact that baby Floyd was jelous of the attention Cotto was getting.

                    As far as the size issue like I guess Hatton is also bigger than Floyd because he started his career at 140. I wonder if Floyd could make 130 now. Dumbass

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                    • El Dominicano
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by BMWM3P
                      I don't need a link you dumb *****, if you actually followed boxing you would know this. Cotto and Mayweather both fought for Top Rank and it is a known fact that baby Floyd was jelous of the attention Cotto was getting.
                      As far as the size issue like I guess Hatton is also bigger than Floyd because he started his career at 140. I wonder if Floyd could make 130 now. Dumbass


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