De La Hoya > Joe Calzaghe?

[shynequasiog22]

who has oscar beat, he hasnt beat roy jones or bernard hopkins the two other greatest in his era.

he isnt undefeated in his career. he lost all his big fights and got koed by a man calzaghe beat.

You do realize that they fought in different weight classes right? Oscar got KO'd by a prime Hopkins while Joe squeaked out a SD against a 43 year old Hop. Oscar was also a good bit smaller while Joe and Hop are both naturally the same size. Think before posting.

[Pullcounter]

This thread is a spin off from the "All time great" columns out there about Calzaghe and De La Hoya. The author says that Calzaghe is an ATG, but De La Hoya is just a Hall of Famer. I disagree. The has been no one in the last 20 years who took greater risks in the ring than De La Hoya. He didn't just hang on to a title for years like Calz, he moved up in weight and took on the best of the best consistently. In terms of wins, for the sake of arguement lets cancel out DLH win against Chavez and Calzaghe's win against Roy Jones because both were way past prime. Same goes for DLH win against Whitaker and Calz's win against Hopkins (both controversial wins against older fighters). After taking out those wins, what we are left to compare is their other big wins.

De La Hoya - Hernandez, Vargas, Quartey, and Ruelas
Calzaghe - Lacy, Kessler, Eubank

I value De La Hoya's win's more (plus I think he beat Trinidad). Plus he had other controversial loses against top competition.

IMO Calzaghe is an ATG, but didn't take the risks and challenges that DLH faced. That coupled with De La Hoya's big wins makes him an ATG in my opinion.

Rold was wrong.

yeah rold is wrong on this one. if anyone deserves to be an ATG its dlh, not calz

[MELLY-MEL...]

both men's resume's speak volumes! one great, one not so much.

[Jim Jeffries]

And the sad fact is that those wins are bigger then any of Oscars wins... Unless you think beating mayorga is a huge accomplishment. Do you like to be served rough?

Beating the current version of Roy Jones is better than any of Oscar's wins or accomplishments? Do you mind if I sig that?

[GTL]

Eubanks was also past his best and coming off two losses to Steve Collins (just so you get a measure of how shot he was, not as shot as Roy but more shot than Bernard).
Lets drop the politically correct **** and be real. Oscar is an Hall of Famer and that suits him very well because he's such a star. His accomplishments came just a little bit short but HE TOOK risks and earned his place in the hall of fame. Calzaghe is ****. He's not an hall of famer imo, no ATG for sure. He's a Sven Ottke on steroids and the only thing special about him is his wor krate for his weight class. He has beat no one with a linear belt, his two best wins are Kessler and Hopkins and Hopkins clearly stands out. Does that give you the hall of fame? Should he lower the bar so this fraud can get aboard? The guy never took a risk, never moved up until he was freaking 36 years of age for "the money fights" which is just an excuse to fight a couple 40 year olds!!

I know many won't agree, but if so, tell me, what was his defining fight? Every great one needs a couple at least. Is there a prime Foreman, Frazier or Duran in his record? The man didn't even dominated his division, staying in Europe under the radar while Jones and Hopkins among others were young. Now that a young star, Dawson, who is the reining champion and the man to beat in the division, is there he's going out (as an ATG) and call it quits. Fine, good for him, but don't come here calling him anything else than a good* undefeated fighter because that's what he is. And i say good with a *
because i don't really think he's that good, his activity is not a problem for someone who can tag him consistently for 12 rounds. Too open, his trick may work on senior citizens but a young champion like Dawson will give him more than he can handle.

I have to say, this is the best post on Boxingscene currently..
The truth, I dont know why you have a red bar, some green for you

[MELLY-MEL...]

Eubanks was also past his best and coming off two losses to Steve Collins (just so you get a measure of how shot he was, not as shot as Roy but more shot than Bernard).
Lets drop the politically correct **** and be real. Oscar is an Hall of Famer and that suits him very well because he's such a star. His accomplishments came just a little bit short but HE TOOK risks and earned his place in the hall of fame. Calzaghe is ****. He's not an hall of famer imo, no ATG for sure. He's a Sven Ottke on steroids and the only thing special about him is his wor krate for his weight class. He has beat no one with a linear belt, his two best wins are Kessler and Hopkins and Hopkins clearly stands out. Does that give you the hall of fame? Should he lower the bar so this fraud can get aboard? The guy never took a risk, never moved up until he was freaking 36 years of age for "the money fights" which is just an excuse to fight a couple 40 year olds!!

I know many won't agree, but if so, tell me, what was his defining fight? Every great one needs a couple at least. Is there a prime Foreman, Frazier or Duran in his record? The man didn't even dominated his division, staying in Europe under the radar while Jones and Hopkins among others were young. Now that a young star, Dawson, who is the reining champion and the man to beat in the division, is there he's going out (as an ATG) and call it quits. Fine, good for him, but don't come here calling him anything else than a good* undefeated fighter because that's what he is. And i say good with a *
because i don't really think he's that good, his activity is not a problem for someone who can tag him consistently for 12 rounds. Too open, his trick may work on senior citizens but a young champion like Dawson will give him more than he can handle.

hard to argue with a post like this. real talk son! green k sent for a good post.

[them_apples]

This thread is a spin off from the "All time great" columns out there about Calzaghe and De La Hoya. The author says that Calzaghe is an ATG, but De La Hoya is just a Hall of Famer. I disagree. The has been no one in the last 20 years who took greater risks in the ring than De La Hoya. He didn't just hang on to a title for years like Calz, he moved up in weight and took on the best of the best consistently. In terms of wins, for the sake of arguement lets cancel out DLH win against Chavez and Calzaghe's win against Roy Jones because both were way past prime. Same goes for DLH win against Whitaker and Calz's win against Hopkins (both controversial wins against older fighters). After taking out those wins, what we are left to compare is their other big wins.

De La Hoya - Hernandez, Vargas, Quartey, and Ruelas
Calzaghe - Lacy, Kessler, Eubank

I value De La Hoya's win's more (plus I think he beat Trinidad). Plus he had other controversial loses against top competition.

IMO Calzaghe is an ATG, but didn't take the risks and challenges that DLH faced. That coupled with De La Hoya's big wins makes him an ATG in my opinion.

Rold was wrong.

what a fool, Dlh fights incredible competition his entire Carreer, joe avoids them all. Joe is an ATg? Just because DLH is fighting Pacman, (which is sort of cheap - but it also gives pac a shot at greatness himself) doesn't discredit DLH's entire Career. I don't put Calzaghe anywhere near DLH in terms of greatness.

[fightnews55]

This thread is a spin off from the "All time great" columns out there about Calzaghe and De La Hoya. The author says that Calzaghe is an ATG, but De La Hoya is just a Hall of Famer. I disagree. The has been no one in the last 20 years who took greater risks in the ring than De La Hoya. He didn't just hang on to a title for years like Calz, he moved up in weight and took on the best of the best consistently. In terms of wins, for the sake of arguement lets cancel out DLH win against Chavez and Calzaghe's win against Roy Jones because both were way past prime. Same goes for DLH win against Whitaker and Calz's win against Hopkins (both controversial wins against older fighters). After taking out those wins, what we are left to compare is their other big wins.

De La Hoya - Hernandez, Vargas, Quartey, and Ruelas
Calzaghe - Lacy, Kessler, Eubank

I value De La Hoya's win's more (plus I think he beat Trinidad). Plus he had other controversial loses against top competition.

IMO Calzaghe is an ATG, but didn't take the risks and challenges that DLH faced. That coupled with De La Hoya's big wins makes him an ATG in my opinion.

Rold was wrong.

Calzaghe is a ****ing fraud!

[GTL]

Listen, true boxing fans know the deal when it comes to legacy..
Someone posted this before and its in someones sig and it read something like this..

"people 30 yrs from now will be watching Roy Jones fights like they are watching Sugar Ray Robinsons from decades ago. The only place they will be replying Joe is in Wales"

The reality is, Joes fans (particularly ones on this board, no need to point them out b/c its so blatently obvious) think too highly of him because he is there only good fighter..
Hatton gets my f uckin respect, he was late in taking risks but he challenged Floyd in his PRIME who is the number 1 p4p boxer at the time.

[S A M U R A I]

Eubanks was also past his best and coming off two losses to Steve Collins (just so you get a measure of how shot he was, not as shot as Roy but more shot than Bernard).
Lets drop the politically correct **** and be real. Oscar is an Hall of Famer and that suits him very well because he's such a star. His accomplishments came just a little bit short but HE TOOK risks and earned his place in the hall of fame. Calzaghe is ****. He's not an hall of famer imo, no ATG for sure. He's a Sven Ottke on steroids and the only thing special about him is his wor krate for his weight class. He has beat no one with a linear belt, his two best wins are Kessler and Hopkins and Hopkins clearly stands out. Does that give you the hall of fame? Should he lower the bar so this fraud can get aboard? The guy never took a risk, never moved up until he was freaking 36 years of age for "the money fights" which is just an excuse to fight a couple 40 year olds!!

I know many won't agree, but if so, tell me, what was his defining fight? Every great one needs a couple at least. Is there a prime Foreman, Frazier or Duran in his record? The man didn't even dominated his division, staying in Europe under the radar while Jones and Hopkins among others were young. Now that a young star, Dawson, who is the reining champion and the man to beat in the division, is there he's going out (as an ATG) and call it quits. Fine, good for him, but don't come here calling him anything else than a good* undefeated fighter because that's what he is. And i say good with a *
because i don't really think he's that good, his activity is not a problem for someone who can tag him consistently for 12 rounds. Too open, his trick may work on senior citizens but a young champion like Dawson will give him more than he can handle.

pffff. The first line of your sig says you are nothing but bitter about your fave fightwer being beaten by Joe. That's why you wrote this pile of horse ****.

Totally transparent.



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