De La Hoya > Joe Calzaghe?

[dans]

This thread is a spin off from the "All time great" columns out there about Calzaghe and De La Hoya. The author says that Calzaghe is an ATG, but De La Hoya is just a Hall of Famer. I disagree. The has been no one in the last 20 years who took greater risks in the ring than De La Hoya. He didn't just hang on to a title for years like Calz, he moved up in weight and took on the best of the best consistently. In terms of wins, for the sake of arguement lets cancel out DLH win against Chavez and Calzaghe's win against Roy Jones because both were way past prime. Same goes for DLH win against Whitaker and Calz's win against Hopkins (both controversial wins against older fighters). After taking out those wins, what we are left to compare is their other big wins.

De La Hoya - Hernandez, Vargas, Quartey, and Ruelas
Calzaghe - Lacy, Kessler, Eubank

I value De La Hoya's win's more (plus I think he beat Trinidad). Plus he had other controversial loses against top competition.

IMO Calzaghe is an ATG, but didn't take the risks and challenges that DLH faced. That coupled with De La Hoya's big wins makes him an ATG in my opinion.

Rold was wrong.

[Mr. Fantastic]

No way do I see Cal as an ATG and DLH only as a HOF. That guy is a moron. If Cal is a ATG, then DLH must be a higher ATG then.

Again, I mean no disrespect to Cal, DLH has accomplished way more as a boxer.

[S.G.]

DLH is def higher than Calzaghe in the all time rankings

[Allucard]

This thread is a spin off from the "All time great" columns out there about Calzaghe and De La Hoya. The author says that Calzaghe is an ATG, but De La Hoya is just a Hall of Famer. I disagree. The has been no one in the last 20 years who took greater risks in the ring than De La Hoya. He didn't just hang on to a title for years like Calz, he moved up in weight and took on the best of the best consistently. In terms of wins, for the sake of arguement lets cancel out DLH win against Chavez and Calzaghe's win against Roy Jones because both were way past prime. Same goes for DLH win against Whitaker and Calz's win against Hopkins (both controversial wins against older fighters). After taking out those wins, what we are left to compare is their other big wins.

De La Hoya - Hernandez, Vargas, Quartey, and Ruelas
Calzaghe - Lacy, Kessler, Eubank

I value De La Hoya's win's more (plus I think he beat Trinidad). Plus he had other controversial loses against top competition.

IMO Calzaghe is an ATG, but didn't take the risks and challenges that DLH faced. That coupled with De La Hoya's big wins makes him an ATG in my opinion.

Rold was wrong.

Eubanks was also past his best and coming off two losses to Steve Collins (just so you get a measure of how shot he was, not as shot as Roy but more shot than Bernard).
Lets drop the politically correct **** and be real. Oscar is an Hall of Famer and that suits him very well because he's such a star. His accomplishments came just a little bit short but HE TOOK risks and earned his place in the hall of fame. Calzaghe is ****. He's not an hall of famer imo, no ATG for sure. He's a Sven Ottke on steroids and the only thing special about him is his wor krate for his weight class. He has beat no one with a linear belt, his two best wins are Kessler and Hopkins and Hopkins clearly stands out. Does that give you the hall of fame? Should he lower the bar so this fraud can get aboard? The guy never took a risk, never moved up until he was freaking 36 years of age for "the money fights" which is just an excuse to fight a couple 40 year olds!!

I know many won't agree, but if so, tell me, what was his defining fight? Every great one needs a couple at least. Is there a prime Foreman, Frazier or Duran in his record? The man didn't even dominated his division, staying in Europe under the radar while Jones and Hopkins among others were young. Now that a young star, Dawson, who is the reining champion and the man to beat in the division, is there he's going out (as an ATG) and call it quits. Fine, good for him, but don't come here calling him anything else than a good* undefeated fighter because that's what he is. And i say good with a *
because i don't really think he's that good, his activity is not a problem for someone who can tag him consistently for 12 rounds. Too open, his trick may work on senior citizens but a young champion like Dawson will give him more than he can handle.

[marco363]

who has oscar beat, he hasnt beat roy jones or bernard hopkins the two other greatest in his era.

he isnt undefeated in his career. he lost all his big fights and got koed by a man calzaghe beat.

[_Hunter_]

who has oscar beat, he hasnt beat roy jones or bernard hopkins the two other greatest in his era.

he isnt undefeated in his career. he lost all his big fights and got koed by a man calzaghe ****d.

This man is a genius

[Shadow boxer 3]

calzaghe resume' is no where near DLH. no matter what u think of him fighting Pacman, DLH is an ATG/HOF. Calzaghe fought bums and journeymen in his home country for over a decade in a weak division that nobody cared about. the level of DLH competions is head and shoulders above calzaghe. the guy that wrote that artical is bias calzaghe nuthugger

[ACHlLLES]

Calzaghe > Oscar

[Shadow boxer 3]

who has oscar beat, he hasnt beat roy jones or bernard hopkins the two other greatest in his era.

he isnt undefeated in his career. he lost all his big fights and got koed by a man calzaghe beat.

the best fighters on calzaghe resume' are a 43 year old and a 40 year old. and the win over hopkins was a spit decision that alot of people think could hav went either way

[Dan...]

Oscar is definately above Calzaghe in the all time great rankings. I can't see how that would not be the case.

I think Oscar has at least three wins that surpass any of Joe's to be honest. Then you have the fact that he has won world titles in 6 different divisions, been to the top of the p4p rankings, fought easily the higher quality of opposition, taken the greater risks.

It isn't even close.