MAYWEATHER: WHY HE IS THE BEST EVER AT 130!! Here is the (History)

[Dice]

Fam whether you like it or not, when it come to 130 Floyd is the man, we aint talkin welterweight, we aint talking 140, 154, we talking 130, and at 130 he made magic.

The facts is there, if people dont be neutral thats fine, but dont drop to they level cuz that post u made (crillz) just make u look like a hater and I've seen ya other posts in other threads and I kno u not one

[crillz]

Fam whether you like it or not, when it come to 130 Floyd is the man, we aint talkin welterweight, we aint talking 140, 154, we talking 130, and at 130 he made magic.

The facts is there, if people dont be neutral thats fine, but dont drop to they level cuz that post u made (crillz) just make u look like a hater and I've seen ya other posts in other threads and I kno u not one

you damn ****in skippy I ain't no hater I'm just balancing the scale, he leans 100% 1 way and I lean 100% the other.. when I post, as you said you've noticed about me, I call **** fair from beginning to end but I have absolutely NO problem giving someone a taste of their own ****.. these are things about Floyd I have voiced over and over again and will continue to because it's true. I didn't stoop to his level because I gave it up to Floyd, I said he did good at 130 which is true but now he wants to call him the best ever there and that's just **** riding and that **** urks me.. he is never neutral about things regarding Mayweather and it gets annoying, someone needed to shut him the **** up.. but real talk I was being dead ass when I asked him that question, it's like you say you know so much right? well then answer me that.. that is all I was saying, I never once denied he was GREAT at 130 but then again I ain't making threads about it neither, it's a clear display of a **** rider.. call me what you want but I can't stand **** riders, online or offline they just rub me the wrong way..

[Horus]

you damn ****in skippy I ain't no hater I'm just balancing the scale, he leans 100% 1 way and I lean 100% the other.. when I post, as you said you've noticed about me, I call **** fair from beginning to end but I have absolutely NO problem giving someone a taste of their own ****.. these are things about Floyd I have voiced over and over again and will continue to because it's true. I didn't stoop to his level because I gave it up to Floyd, I said he did good at 130 which is true but now he wants to call him the best ever there and that's just **** riding and that **** urks me.. he is never neutral about things regarding Mayweather and it gets annoying, someone needed to shut him the **** up.. but real talk I was being dead ass when I asked him that question, it's like you say you know so much right? well then answer me that.. that is all I was saying, I never once denied he was GREAT at 130 but then again I ain't making threads about it neither, it's a clear display of a **** rider.. call me what you want but I can't stand **** riders, online or offline they just rub me the wrong way..

Crillz, Obviously I am getting to you. But let's Be candid.

Who gives a **** how you feel.., As a matter of my opinion **** your feelings.
This is not a crying game, and you on some real hoe ****. Talking how you feel about what the next ***** saying, and how i am affecting your personal life.

You dont like criticism, you dont like what i am saying because it is hard truths. I dont post out of left or right field. I am posting directly to a truth that I see and that Alot of People see.

The Truth is your favorite fighter Cotto, Is not Hall of Fame Material.
He is not on the Path of greatness as of right now.
He is not his own man.
The guy is 28 years old, HIDING BEHIND THE "BOB ARUM" like a *****.
Bob Arum called him out Publicly and treated him like a kid
giving him ultimatums and ****, He said " SIGN THE CONTRACT OR ELSE"

And what did your boy do..... HE SIGN THAT ****. Knowing that this fight
does him no good.

Who the **** is Jennings...?

I used to hold Cotto to a Champions standard. Not nomore though. For what?
He never beat a champion for a belt.
He always fighting for vacant belts.
He still makes the same mistakes he made as a young pro.
(Swings wide, Waste Punches, Cant stop straight right hands or uppercuts, and is under progressing in the lateral movement department.)

The guy is a ?????? to me from now on, and will be treated as such.
and if your feelings is being hurt by what I am posting...

Guess What, I dont give a ****.

[crillz]

Crillz, Obviously I am getting to you. But let's Be candid.

Who gives a **** how you feel.., As a matter of my opinion **** your feelings.
This is not a crying game, and you on some real hoe ****. Talking how you feel about what the next ***** saying, and how i am affecting your personal life.

You dont like criticism, you dont like what i am saying because it is hard truths. I dont post out of left or right field. I am posting directly to a truth that I see and that Alot of People see.

The Truth is your favorite fighter Cotto, Is not Hall of Fame Material.
He is not on the Path of greatness as of right now.
He is not his own man.
The guy is 28 years old, HIDING BEHIND THE "BOB ARUM" like a *****.
Bob Arum called him out Publicly and treated him like a kid
giving him ultimatums and ****, He said " SIGN THE CONTRACT OR ELSE"

And what did your boy do..... HE SIGN THAT ****. Knowing that this fight
does him no good.

Who the **** is Jennings...?

I used to hold Cotto to a Champions standard. Not nomore though. For what?
He never beat a champion for a belt.
He always fighting for vacant belts.
He still makes the same mistakes he made as a young pro.
(Swings wide, Waste Punches, Cant stop straight right hands or uppercuts, and is under progressing in the lateral movement department.)

The guy is a ?????? to me from now on, and will be treated as such.
and if your feelings is being hurt by what I am posting...

Guess What, I dont give a ****.

I replied to this dumb ass post here..

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...46#post4400846

..don't think this cheesy ass post went unanswered, you must've known but didn't reply, what happened got nothing left to say?

[Vasyl’s dad]

Guess What, I dont give a ****.[/FONT]

You don't give a ****, but you take the time to size, font and color up your posts.

lol.

Stay in your lane boy.

[Horus]

I replied to this dumb ass post here..

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...46#post4400846

..don't think this cheesy ass post went unanswered, you must've known but didn't reply, what happened got nothing left to say?

cRillz I previously posted, that i will stop placing my Champion standards place on Cotto. Because to me he is not a real enough champion for me to place these kind of standards on. because he never beat a champion. He always fights for vacant titles.
IMO, Fighting for a vacant title is fine if you do it rarely. But if the only time
you win a title is against a contender for a vacant belt. Then i see it as cheating the game of boxing. Because the fighter is not willing to fight the champion for that belt or go find a champion and take his belt. But instead
That fighter is taking the easy route to become a champion.

This is nothing new with me, I been like this from day 1.
( CHECK MY THREAD HISTORY) I has always had a problem with Cotto doing this, Just because he has not done it the traditional way.

Cotto is becoming a "vargas" to me now. He is just another name in the pack... I am starting to not take the guy seriously anymore...

And To clear up the air.
There is a difference between Criticism.
and Just Hating..

I do not blately Hate on Cotto
I criticize him.

The only time I might Blately hate on Cotto is when I am obliviously trying to
make a point. About Hypocrisy i see on here.

The difference is Criticism is a where somebody points out the problem, and fellow it up with a possible answer..

Hating is just Pointing out problems with No constructive answer to follow up
your compliant.

I never say Cotto Sucks
I never say Cotto doesnt has the most potential in all of boxing
I never say cotto is not probably the best ww out of all the ww's because of his intangible's.
I never say Cotto is a fraud
I never say Cotto is a ***** for no reason.
- I did get on him for not going out on his shield like most of his fans demand other fighters do.

What I do is say, Cotto wastes punches, Cotto cant defend the straight right Hand, Cotto is vulnerable to uppercuts, Cotto defense hasnt improved much he still makes the same mistakes....,Cotto is not a draw like tito was, even though he has the same fan base, Cotto is not taking enough control of his career And Making the fights he wants public.

Thats is not Hating that is pointing out a obvious. It's called Criticism.

This is Hating:
Cotto ****ing sucks ****
Cotto is a bum. (no explanation..)

I dont blatey hate on Cotto.
I criticize him because, Everybody wants to make him something he is not.
And that is a Validated Great Fighter.

He is still trying to make a name for himself at this point of his career,
when he should be focusing on validating himself at this point of his career.

• What is Cotto's Legacy? at 28 years old and almost 9 years into his career?
• Is Cotto going to the Hall of Fame if he retire today?
• Can you rarely Compare Cotto to all time great fighters at this point in Cotto's career?
• Why Should Cotto be Place in the category of a validated great fighter base on what he has done... ?
• What Fight Make Cotto a great Fighter?

This is Criticism, These are Valid Questions....
and At this Point of Cotto's Career he has more Questions than Answers.

The funny thing is, He can still answer all of these Questions...
but The Recent Career move by Cotto fighting for another VACANT title. When the person who own that title wanted to fight Him before he vacated is ******.

When is cotto going to understand that fighting for vacant titles is not
making his situation better, but worst. Because THOSE FIGHTS ARE NOT VALIDATING HIM. BUT RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT HIM.

This is the question to you Crillz:
I say there is 4 stages into a boxers career....

Where do you think cotto is at now...?
and why..?

There are 4 levels to a boxer's career.

Level 1. Get a couple easy wins under your belt.
(Fight the easy fights. Burgers, chumps, etc......for experience and to build your record. no disrespect to burgers and chumps).
Level 2. Make a name for yourself
Fight other good prospects and past their prime known fighters (undefeated, 1's and 2's, etc..) to separate yourself from the rest, make a name for yourself.
Level 3. Validate yourself
Validate your dominance over your career by winning titles and beating your peer champions.
Level 4. Cement your legacy
Enter Club Elite. Picking and choosing, fighting the fights that mean something to your legacy and your bank account!!


Crillz you can take this response that I just gave to you anyway you want too
It is your choice. But that is my Honest Interpretation of what I feel is wrong
with Miguel Cotto and what he should be doing. If you dont like it fine.

But this is where I stand.

and I am not changing no time soon. So we continue going back and fourth
disrespecting each other, or we have a real discussion on why each of us feel
they why we feel about Miguel Cotto.


-Horus

[BennyST]

Arguello yes, but chavez, no. Not at 130. Mayweather would be a nightmare for chavez, it would be just like whitaker, chavez didint like movement.

I think he may have meant he achieved more at that weight than did Mayweather, instead of Chavez would have beat Mayweather. I think.

[JAB5239]

Mayweather is Considered the Greatest Ever at 130 by almost everybody.
Boxrec.com Has also RATED Mayweather the TOP 130 Pounder Ever Too:
http://www.boxrec.com/ratings.php?co...us=E&SUBMIT=Go

HERE IS WHY ALMOST EVERYBODY CONSIDERS MAYWEATHER THE GREATEST FIGHTER EVER AT 130:
Mayweather clean out 130.

130: Super Featherweight

The Top Four Recognized Fighters Were:
Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Roberto Garcia
Diego Corrales


At Mayweather First Division at 130,He Dominated the Division.
He was Knocking out all top Contenders.

• To the Point that after only 2 years turning PRO He was ranked 8th On the P4P List and Number 1 in his Division

http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph..._Ratings:_1998

He Fought Genaro Hernandez who was 38-1-1 2 time World Champion. And The Reigning WBC world Champion. And The Ring Magazine Recognize World Champion of The Division.Who only Lost came from Oscar De La Hoya in which Oscar broke his in several places. .Which Happen 3 years Earlier

In that Fight Floyd Dominated the Recognize Champion at 130. and Officially Became

• The WBC world Champion at 21 years old and 17 fights.

...
not no international or state or any other bull**** title, but The Official Recognize WBC world Champion at 21 years old. And Now Recognize as The Ring Magazine number # 1 fighter in the division at 21 years old
and #8 on P4P list out of all the fighters in the world.

His Next Fight right After that Fight,Mayweather beat the guy who was RANKED number #4 ( Angel Manfredy) , And In that fight Mayweather Knocks Him Out in the 2nd.Round.

Now Mayweather had now beaten 2 out of the top 4 fighters in the 130 division. all before the age Of 22.And the 3rd of those 4 fighters was

• (Roberto Garcia who was 31-0 with 23 Knock Outs.)

And Floyd was about to fight Roberto Garcia, but Roberto Garcia decided to fight Knock Out Artist and Another P4P Phenomenal fighter in Diego Corrales.. Who out of 33 fights to that Point. only 5 fighters didnt get Knock Out.

Roberto Garcia was knock out in the 7th Round by Corrales. Now Instead of Floyd Fighting Roberto Garica, he nows finds himself in the position
of fighting the #5 Pound 4 Pound fighter in the sport, and then #1 fighter at 130...Diego Corrales.

and In that Fight Floyd was a 2 to 1 Underdog, to not only lose to Corrales.But to get Knock out.

Floyd fights Corrales, The #5 P4P fighter in the sport and #1 fighter in the division, and in the fight compellingly outclassed
and Knocks out Diego Corrales in a 10 round 1 sided fight.

After that Floyd Completely Clean out the 130 Division with 8 title defenses, with 6 of those fights ending in Knock out.

• Floyd at 130 now can not get a big name fighter to fight him from Featherweight to Lightweight.

NOBODY..and when big name fighters did get approach about fighting Mayweather, they either demand a 55-45 split, or didnt return the call. So Floyd started calling out all the big names Shane Mosely, Oscar De La Hoya, everybody.
But Nobody wanted to fight. So instead of staying at 130 where no other big names will fight him at. He moves Up.

And his first fight was against the number # 1 guy at 135 JLC.

He's up there, but I would definetly put Arguello ahead of him and probably Chavez.

And Floyd never fought Freitas or Casamoyer at that weight. Both of who were better than Garcia and Manfredy.

[Christus Regnat]

In ability. maybe. Even in reputation he's very high. But still no. And not even close.

[JAB5239]

In ability. maybe. Even in reputation he's very high. But still no. And not even close.

Not even close?

Slowly put down the crack pipe.