Prime Mike Tyson VS Prime David Tua

[alframsey]

David Tua, ive never rated Tyson as a World Class boxer, he was good but not world class! He would not KO Tua, and the is a chance he could be KO by a mega Tua left hook.

But i'd say Tua by Majority decision!

[Benny Leonard]

i never said anything about age.

i view prime tyson pre-jail.

i'm a big tyson fan and before excused the buster loss due to not training well , changing his fundamentals , bad cornerwork , out of shape , distractions , etc.

as the years go by i think buster would have beat any tyson that night.

I don't. I’m not positive, but I don’t favor it.

As the years go by some also tend to only remember what happened afterwards and not before. It can be hard to seperate the two.

If you notice in the fight, Douglas was doing pretty much the same thing over and over, but since Tyson was an idiot and didn't train and have a gameplan, he wasn't going to be able to think with Buster's jab in his face.

I do think that without Rooney to train him and have a gameplan Tyson's chances are not that great against that version of Douglas. We would have to take the Tucker version of Tyson as an example.


Tyson had many ways to counter the jab when he was with Rooney:
Timing: Tyson always had great timing when he was trained properly. When you jabbed Mike, he would jab back. And before you say Buster was bigger at 6'3, well, everybody was bigger than Mike and had a longer reach...it didn't stop him from out-jabbing 6'5 Tucker.

Mike was also able to get under the jab and either drill the body or come up with the left hook.

Tyson's timing, head-movement, overall agility, his willingness to clinch after just one punch...was not who he was when he was with Rooney.

Tyson wasn't able to see if Douglas would fold like he normally does. Douglas confidence was growing throughout the fight. Even being down on the canvas, it's just one point; a point that means nothing when you know you are not hurt and are still kicking the **** out of Mike Tyson.

Tyson was more cautious with "big" punchers but even them, he took his chances. Buster landed a few hundred punches on Mike and it took him to the 10th to knock him out, despite Mike being out of shape and having a swollen eye so he couldn't see the punches coming.

I think it is very telling that Buster never gave Mike the rematch even though Mike kept asking for it. People knew the stories of what was going on; it was no secret.

[Benny Leonard]

David Tua, ive never rated Tyson as a World Class boxer, he was good but not world class! He would not KO Tua, and the is a chance he could be KO by a mega Tua left hook.

But i'd say Tua by Majority decision!

Seriously?

And Tua is?

Can you explain...I would like to be filled in what I'm missing; maybe it will change my mind if it is excellent.

Tyson up to Spinks: GO

[Left Hook Tua]

Seriously?

And Tua is?

Can you explain...I would like to be filled in what I'm missing; maybe it will change my mind if it is excellent.

Tyson up to Spinks: GO

hey!!! tua won bronze at the olympics......

[alframsey]

Seriously?

And Tua is?

Can you explain...I would like to be filled in what I'm missing; maybe it will change my mind if it is excellent.

Tyson up to Spinks: GO

OK, i accept your point that Tua isnt all that great a boxer, but i've always had a liking for Tua, i've never really liked yson as a person. I guess it was more wishful thinking than reality, but you gotta agree it's be a close fight if it went the distance?

[Benny Leonard]

hey!!! tua won bronze at the olympics......

And that makes him better than a prime Mike Tyson?

Was Tua knocked out in the Olympics or was that just the Worlds?

Tyson in the amatuers was nowhere near a finished product. Even the 18 year old version didn't compare to the 20 year old. Each year on he got better and better; especially with confidence.

Tyson was also ripped off in the Olympic Trials

[Left Hook Tua]

I don't. I’m not positive, but I don’t favor it.

As the years go by some also tend to only remember what happened afterwards and not before. It can be hard to seperate the two.

If you notice in the fight, Douglas was doing pretty much the same thing over and over, but since Tyson was an idiot and didn't train and have a gameplan, he wasn't going to be able to think with Buster's jab in his face.

I do think that without Rooney to train him and have a gameplan Tyson's chances are not that great against that version of Douglas. We would have to take the Tucker version of Tyson as an example.


Tyson had many ways to counter the jab when he was with Rooney:
Timing: Tyson always had great timing when he was trained properly. When you jabbed Mike, he would jab back. And before you say Buster was bigger at 6'3, well, everybody was bigger than Mike and had a longer reach...it didn't stop him from out-jabbing 6'5 Tucker.

Mike was also able to get under the jab and either drill the body or come up with the left hook.

Tyson's timing, head-movement, overall agility, his willingness to clinch after just one punch...was not who he was when he was with Rooney.

Tyson wasn't able to see if Douglas would fold like he normally does. Douglas confidence was growing throughout the fight. Even being down on the canvas, it's just one point; a point that means nothing when you know you are not hurt and are still kicking the **** out of Mike Tyson.

Tyson was more cautious with "big" punchers but even them, he took his chances. Buster landed a few hundred punches on Mike and it took him to the 10th to knock him out, despite Mike being out of shape and having a swollen eye so he couldn't see the punches coming.

I think it is very telling that Buster never gave Mike the rematch even though Mike kept asking for it. People knew the stories of what was going on; it was no secret.

rooney would have helped mike a lot. (especially since it would mean a corner that knows how to minimize swelling. wtf? tyson's corner was worthless in the douglas fight)

but we have different criterias for prime but at least your consistent since you consider tua past prime after the ike fight. (the ike fight was great. i felt tua won that one tbh)

[Benny Leonard]

Worlds I guess, not the Olympics.

How old was Tua there anyway. I know he was young. He certainly looks light in weight.




Tua would become better after that, for sure. Tua as he grew in weight would become a monster.

[Left Hook Tua]

And that makes him better than a prime Mike Tyson?

Was Tua knocked out in the Olympics or was that just the Worlds?

Tyson in the amatuers was nowhere near a finished product. Even the 18 year old version didn't compare to the 20 year old. Each year on he got better and better; especially with confidence.

Tyson was also ripped off in the Olympic Trials

it was the world's by felix savon.

i think it was 91 a year before the 92 olympics.

man i wished stevenson and savon could have gone pro......

[Left Hook Tua]

Worlds I guess, not the Olympics.

How old was Tua there anyway. I know he was young. He certainly looks light in weight.

i have that in my collection. to this day i'm shocked how easily savon khtfo.

must be the weight drain.

tua is about 36 now. so i'd say 19. he was definitely 200 lbs.

tua was better off fighting as a cruiser. maybe he'd have took better care of himself.

i see his body when he turned pro at 205 lbs. or so...... man so much difference from the 250 lb. guy that fought lennox.