Who deserves more credit

[luv3s2sp00g3]

It's not even that close of a decision for me personally and I choose Floyd for 3 reasons:

1. Floyd fought better fighters either in or closer to their primes.

2. He did this while moving up in weight. Realistically he could have just stayed at lightweight and dominated for the next 10 years until he retired, but he chose to seek bigger challenges. Also, In general, the divisions that Floyd fought in were much more competitive than Joe's. SMW was always pretty weak.

3. Although I am a Calzaghe fan, I'll admit Joe's style leaves a lot to be desired. Floyd had a more impeccable skillset overall, and it wouldn't be an exaggeration to say he has no real holes in his game. Can't say the same for Calz.

[Danny Gunz]

I literally just voted for Mayweather in a poll between the two of whom is the better skilled.

I'm pretty sure I've voted for Mayweather on resume, and probably others too.

But I see Chunk's point here. The thread title and poll is, which guy deserves more credit.

It's not asking really either of the two former things and polls I noted above although those are factors and no doubt how most will just vote.

Credit is a word people interpret differently, for me views on personal things of an athlete given their and the scenes circumstances, the amount of credit they do get are to be factored when voting on such a poll.

I voted Calzaghe in this poll partially because I believe he is short on credit, whereas Mayweather is not.

Calzaghe's had a tougher time of it, getting to the top imo. He was robbed of going to the olympics which as we've seen is shown to really raise awareness and elevate boxers onto the pro scene, some examples being RJJ, Khan, Harrison. On the latter two, the difference being Calzaghe would've not only probably won gold having beaten the guy whom did anyway, he had the talent to do better than some olympic winners have. This would have lead him to be a much bigger name earlier on, which would've changed his career for the better. That must be very tough to deal with mentally but he's persevered and proved himself the long, long way.

He beat Eubank just when Chris was not disliked, but liked by the public from a well known boxing tragedy around that time. He was sympathised with as a hero, whilst Calzaghe got little credit for going to war at a young age, beating an experienced proven top fighter in his 1st 12 round fight, showing great heart. That wins largely written off saying Eubank was shot, when he was merely 31 and past prime a bit but not much.

There weren't many big names in the SMW division in the coming years which is unfortunate for Calzaghe as he would've beaten them, or at least had a damn good shot had there been for any length of time.

At a young age doctors told him his hands were so brittle he couldn't box. But he carried on anyway. He's been plagued by hand injuries meaning he can't hit with the same part of his hands or as hard anymore, even breaking hands in a fight having to presever through the pain.

He's nearly got some bigger names fights earlier on in his career but for various reasons, often back ground politics, sometimes injuries, they've not come off.

He's remained motivated despite many strifes, and has beaten quite dominatingly in most cases, everyone put in front of him, often a top 10 fighter in the division. He now doesn't get the credit he deserves from a lot of people having beaten Kessler cos the excuse is who is he and whose he fought, Hopkins cos he's old, and RJJ shot.

I'm by no means saying Calzaghe is more technically skilled, is a better fighter all round, or has a better resume. I can't stress that enough. All considered, both deserve loads of credit. But I think Calzaghe for these and many other reasons, for persevering never quitting, losing, deserves more credit, certainly than he still gets, than Mayweather whom gets loads, and has not at least to my knowledge come through such things, or had the same or similar circumstances.

I guess I should clear this up, or at least my perception of credit.

When I asked the question I thought floyd and joe both have controversial careers because of their fights, money etc. but in the end which fighter made the most of their career with what they had.

[MANGLER]

Only strike against PBF is retirin at his peak while his division was ****in stacked. A big ****in strike, but the only one.

[Drunk Punch]

Mayweather already got loads of credit, it's Joe that people are only just appreciating.

[kenso]

resume: yea floyd for sure

but as far as getting in the ring and FIGHTING, gotta go with joe. mayweather ran and made a ton of fights boring, while he still beat most of his challengers convincingly, he simply was too dull for me.

i voted joe because joe was fun to watch and was always bringing the fight and bringing it in style

the only thing mayweather did with style was talk **** outside of the ring and do random publicity stunts, like appear on WWE for example

[GTL]

Floyd Mayweather or Joe Calzaghe?

I think we all know floyd and joe's respective careers so I'm not gonna make one of those gay ass pros and cons things, but who do you think "at the end of the day" deserves more credit for their career.


In my opinion I think Joe does even though he had some questionable career moves at least he stuck it out until he thought he was too old for it.

Is there a 'neither' option?
IF so, then id pick that..

[NoFear24]

Floyd by far.
All Joe had to do was come to the States and fight the best like Lennox did, and know one would question him. If Lennox Lewis did, why couldn't Joe? Lewis could have stayed in UK and fought bums all his career and been undefeated too, but he wanted to prove he was the best so he came to the States and took out most of his competition. Which is why Lennox is an 20 All time great and Joe is not.

What exactly stop Joe from coming to the States back then? Nothing. He was contempt at fighting bums most of his career only having the courage to go to the US to fight once great champs in their Era now old and not nearly the work rate they used to have. This is why Joe doesn't deserve much credit. He never fought a great fighter in his prime. He could have done more to prove himself, but he never even tried. He is now just trying to beat fighters with names to try and make his Resume look good. Sooner or later, he might be calling out Thomas Hearns at the rate hes going just to add another name.

Its not even really debatable Floyd should get way more credit then Joe.
Hes fought better competiton by far and hes done it in less time then Joe.

[Wiley Hyena]

Floyd by far.
All Joe had to do was come to the States and fight the best like Lennox did, and know one would question him. If Lennox Lewis did, why couldn't Joe? Lewis could have stayed in UK and fought bums all his career and been undefeated too, but he wanted to prove he was the best so he came to the States and took out most of his competition. Which is why Lennox is an 20 All time great and Joe is not.

What exactly stop Joe from coming to the States back then? Nothing. He was contempt at fighting bums most of his career only having the courage to go to the US to fight once great champs in their Era now old and not nearly the work rate they used to have. This is why Joe doesn't deserve much credit. He never fought a great fighter in his prime. He could have done more to prove himself, but he never even tried. He is now just trying to beat fighters with names to try and make his Resume look good. Sooner or later, he might be calling out Thomas Hearns at the rate hes going just to add another name.

Its not even really debatable Floyd should get way more credit then Joe.
Hes fought better competiton by far and hes done it in less time then Joe.

Disagree. Floyd has a long way to go to prove his own claim that he's the best of all time. He has a long way to go just to prove he's the best of his generation. I'll agree that he's definitely HOF on talent alone, but he managed not to fight the really big hitters and that fact cannot be whitewashed.

He could make up alot of ground if he came back right now and took a fight with Margarito....and of course...won.

[bsrizpac]

Disagree. Floyd has a long way to go to prove his own claim that he's the best of all time. He has a long way to go just to prove he's the best of his generation. I'll agree that he's definitely HOF on talent alone, but he managed not to fight the really big hitters and that fact cannot be whitewashed.

He could make up alot of ground if he came back right now and took a fight with Margarito....and of course...won.

[Vasyl’s dad]

"I'm not fighting to prove whos the best".