Who deserves more credit

[KostyaTszyu44]

Floyd Mayweather or Joe Calzaghe?

I think we all know floyd and joe's respective careers so I'm not gonna make one of those gay ass pros and cons things, but who do you think "at the end of the day" deserves more credit for their career.


In my opinion I think Joe does even though he had some questionable career moves at least he stuck it out until he thought he was too old for it.

FFS how can you compare joe to floyd

champ in 5 weight classes and p4p no.1 beats hiding behind a WBO belt for 10 years

fighters can retire when they want, floyd achieved a hell of a lot, and he wil probably come back anyway

[S A M U R A I]

I don't even think Calzaghe was a champion when James Toney was at 168?!?

This is correct. Toney moved up to 175 in 1994/5, if I remember correctly? Joe didn't beat Eubank until 1997, so nope, Toney wasn't really an option back then, although JC had fought at light heavy against Bobbie Joe Edwards (Eubank's cousin) just once in 1995.



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[Chunk..]

It is not about who he dodged, I don't believe he dodged anyone, it is about who they fought.

Bottom line, up until the Kessler fight Joe's best wins were over a past prime Eubank and an overrated Lacy.

Mayweather's wins over prime elites like Corrales and Castillo get more credit than Joe's over past prime versions of Jones and BHop IMO. Add to that the fact that Mayweather beat De la Hoya and a prime Hatton in addition to several other top fighters along the way and I think he deserves to be rated over Joe.

That's not really Joe's fault was it?

He beat everyone at 168. None of the big guns were interested in him.

Floyd gets enough credit as it is(which is deserved IMO) but at times he gets nothing but sunshine consistently blown up his arsehole for how good he is when he didn't actually beat the best 147 had to offer(Cotto and Margarito) and then retired! Which was ****ish! even my cat agrees with me on that one.

Calzaghe however, breaks boxing records and beats every man put in front of him and he still gets bugger all credit apart from his supporters.

I don't want to sound like a broken old Tunney record but Calzaghe gets discredited because of his British/European roots? Because i can't think of any other reason why he doesn't get the credit he deserves?

[Pullcounter]

Floyd Mayweather or Joe Calzaghe?

I think we all know floyd and joe's respective careers so I'm not gonna make one of those gay ass pros and cons things, but who do you think "at the end of the day" deserves more credit for their career.


In my opinion I think Joe does even though he had some questionable career moves at least he stuck it out until he thought he was too old for it.

floyd easy. calzaghe didn't do **** with his career until the very end against past their prime fighters.

[Dan...]

That's not really Joe's fault was it?

He beat everyone at 168. None of the big guns were interested in him.

Floyd gets enough credit as it is(which is deserved IMO) but at times he gets nothing but sunshine consistently blown up his arsehole for how good he is when he didn't actually beat the best 147 had to offer(Cotto and Margarito) and then retired! Which was ****ish! even my cat agrees with me on that one.

Calzaghe however, breaks boxing records and beats every man put in front of him and he still gets bugger all credit apart from his supporters.

I don't want to sound like a broken old Tunney record but Calzaghe gets discredited because of his British/European roots? Because i can't think of any other reason why he doesn't get the credit he deserves?

LOL, when did you become such a Joe nuthugger CHunk?

I am the first to give Joe Calzaghe credit. Hell, I was giving him a tonne of credit well before the Roy fight. He has had a great career and is the best SMW of all time and a definate HOFer and ATG in my mind.

However, the title of the thread is "who deserves more credit". When I allocate credit to different fighters I examine their relative accomplishments. Joe Calzaghe, despite having a great career, fough predominantly B-class fighters for the majority of his career until recently, when he beat a prime elite fighter in Kessler and to past prime greats. The fact that he did not fight better fighters in the late 90s and early 00s and the reason for this is irrelevant - it didn't happen so that is that.

Mayweather, on the other hand, has fought elite fighters regularly throughout his career. The two that stand out are obviously Castillo and Corrales. IMO those two wins are better than any of Joe's. Floyd has also managed to get the better of a prime Hatton and a not too past prime de la Hoya. This is in addition to several other very solid names on his resume such as genaro, jesus chavez and zab judah. This resume, combined with the fact that he has won titles from 130 right through to 154, gives Mayweather a significant edge over Joe in all time status IMO.

Just my opinion though Chunk, feel free to disagree with it.

[Danny Gunz]

Works both ways dude. Would RJJ and Hopkins gone to the UK to fight? No. In fact Hops was supposed to do it in 2002, but then backed he out. RJJ asked for $25 million just to fight Dariusz Michalczewski, so there's no way he'd go over to the UK and fight Joe. This ties in with what Warren said about Roy always pricing himself out of a fight with Joe, yet somehow, it was worthwhile fighting Clinton Woods, and for Hopkins, Morade Hakkar, which is the fight he took instead of Calzaghe.

In my opinion in rjj and hopkins defense, when you are the champion you shouldnt have to travel across the world to fight a contender

[Benny Leonard]

I dont think you can argue with the fact that Floyd Mayweather fought more talented opponents then Joe, but the fact that floyd retired early when the Cottos and Margaritos started popping up made him look really bad.

Yes, but unlike Joe, Floyd has moved up so there is room to give him a pass. Let's see Joe move up to CW; He could have fought Haye. He could have also moved up to LH back when Roy was in his prime...or even now to fight Dawson, which he may do.

Joe's a great Champion at 168. Floyd was a Great Champion from 130-140. 147+, Floyd hasn't done much.

[Benny Leonard]

Top Europeans fighters(Calzaghe) get avoided by the top Americans fighters because they are too high risk/low reward. That's a fact!

No one in the states was interested in Calzaghe. You couldn't make a pound off him! So how was he supposed to come to America and attract the attention of the big guns in the USA?

B-hop agreed to fight Calzaghe in 02 but changed his money demands overnight.

RJJ didn't want to come over to the UK, but at the same time didn't make Calzaghe offer to come and fight him in the USA.

I don't even think Calzaghe was a champion when James Toney was at 168?!?

Joe could have flew over here, just like Lennox did. Bruno came here to fight Tyson. Woods came here to fight Jones. Jimmy Wilde came here and many others.

Of course, first, Joe would have had to move up to 175 and fought a top guy to become a mandatory. One or two fights would have done it.

[Jone2ts]

Assuming Floyd is retired it's got to be Joe. Floyd retired in his prime when dangerous challengers looming.

Dawson isn't danger looming? Floyd has never even came close to losing a fight or been truly knocked down (Zab's was waived off) this is very easy FLOYD ten fold.

[Chunk..]

LOL, when did you become such a Joe nuthugger CHunk?

I am the first to give Joe Calzaghe credit. Hell, I was giving him a tonne of credit well before the Roy fight. He has had a great career and is the best SMW of all time and a definate HOFer and ATG in my mind.

However, the title of the thread is "who deserves more credit". When I allocate credit to different fighters I examine their relative accomplishments. Joe Calzaghe, despite having a great career, fough predominantly B-class fighters for the majority of his career until recently, when he beat a prime elite fighter in Kessler and to past prime greats. The fact that he did not fight better fighters in the late 90s and early 00s and the reason for this is irrelevant - it didn't happen so that is that.

Mayweather, on the other hand, has fought elite fighters regularly throughout his career. The two that stand out are obviously Castillo and Corrales. IMO those two wins are better than any of Joe's. Floyd has also managed to get the better of a prime Hatton and a not too past prime de la Hoya. This is in addition to several other very solid names on his resume such as genaro, jesus chavez and zab judah. This resume, combined with the fact that he has won titles from 130 right through to 154, gives Mayweather a significant edge over Joe in all time status IMO.

Just my opinion though Chunk, feel free to disagree with it.

I would say am more of a fair and objective poster rather then a Calzaghe nuthugger LOL.

Am very much in favour of the ''Give Calzaghe the respect he deserves'' movement going round at the minute.

You see the title of the thread differently to the way i see it. I see it as, which fighter who deserves credit, doesn't get enough credit coming their way?

The answer to that is clearly Calzaghe.

Look at it like this, Floyd's career as you've mentioned is a good one, a badly good one! But Floyd had the advantage of being an American fighting in America, Yes?

Calzaghe however, had to carve a name for himself he England/Wales were as you say could only compete with b-class fighters. Can you imagine how frustrated Joe must of been not being able to test himself against the best out their and knowing no one wanted him?

He got there in the end though, regardless of who it was he beat to get to were he is now.

Joe had to take the hard road to the top. Floyd didn't IMO.

BTW, am not disagreeing with any of your posts because you are entitled to your opinion and i respect that. Am just making polite conversation. You're posts are easy to read and understand. You're a good poster mate.