Who deserves more credit

[Danny Gunz]

Yes, but unlike Joe, Floyd has moved up so there is room to give him a pass. Let's see Joe move up to CW; He could have fought Haye. He could have also moved up to LH back when Roy was in his prime...or even now to fight Dawson, which he may do.

Yeah thats true floyd has been willing to take on challenges joe was so caught up with his super middleweight belt

[S A M U R A I]

In my opinion in rjj and hopkins defense, when you are the champion you shouldnt have to travel across the world to fight a contender

Ummm, no. Joe had been a champion for 5 years straight when him and Hopkins agreed to fight. Again, when they agreed to fight. So, regardless of whether you think he didn't need to travel overseas, Hopkins obviously did, until he doubled his money to 6 million, which he knew he wasn't going to get, and in doing so, was forcing a way out of the fight. I guess taking Morade Hakkar and getting less than the 3 million he was offered is a good enough reason.



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[S A M U R A I]

Yes, but unlike Joe, Floyd has moved up so there is room to give him a pass.

Floyd hopped around without clearing out any particular division.



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[Dan...]

I would say am more of a fair and objective poster rather then a Calzaghe nuthugger LOL.

Am very much in favour of the ''Give Calzaghe the respect he deserves'' movement going round at the minute.

You see the title of the thread differently to the way i see it. I see it as, which fighter who deserves credit, doesn't get enough credit coming their way?

The answer to that is clearly Calzaghe.

Look at it like this, Floyd's career as you've mentioned is a good one, a badly good one! But Floyd had the advantage of being an American fighting in America, Yes?

Calzaghe however, had to carve a name for himself he England/Wales were as you say could only compete with b-class fighters. Can you imagine how frustrated Joe must of been not being able to test himself against the best out their and knowing no one wanted him?

He got there in the end though, regardless of who it was he beat to get to were he is now.

Joe had to take the hard road to the top. Floyd didn't IMO.

BTW, am not disagreeing with any of your posts because you are entitled to your opinion and i respect that. Am just making polite conversation. You're posts are easy to read and understand. You're a good poster mate.

I accept that it is tougher for the British guys. THey don't get the same platform that the Americans get into fighting good fighters on the big stage, especially young American fighters that are also successful Olympians such as Floyd.

Still, it is possible to make the move. The likes of Lewis and more recently Hatton have been able to do it. I find it hard to believe that Joe couldn't have taken some steps to build his profile a little earlier in the US and land some big fights in America to boost his status.

Still, it is all not that relevant to this topic IMO. I simply look at the resumes and accomplishments of the two and make my judgement. They are both great but Floyd is greater IMO and therefore deserves more credit.

[Dan...]

Floyd hopped around without clearing out any particular division.

Floyd did pretty much go through all the best guys at 130 and beat the man at 135. I accept that from 140-154 he pretty much just went on paper belt collecting missions but you have to give him credit for those two divisions.

[Flawless 2]

Floyd did pretty much go through all the best guys at 130 and beat the man at 135. I accept that from 140-154 he pretty much just went on paper belt collecting missions but you have to give him credit for those two divisions.

Oscar was number one at 154

[Dan...]

Oscar was number one at 154

I guess so. I guess you could give him that division as well if you want. Not sure how much that means though considering how disgraceful it is.

[Danny Gunz]

Ummm, no. Joe had been a champion for 5 years straight when him and Hopkins agreed to fight. Again, when they agreed to fight. So, regardless of whether you think he didn't need to travel overseas, Hopkins obviously did, until he doubled his money to 6 million, which he knew he wasn't going to get, and in doing so, was forcing a way out of the fight. I guess taking Morade Hakkar and getting less than the 3 million he was offered is a good enough reason.

Can you honestly say Joe was the bigger champion then Bernard at the time?

[El Dominicano]

Floyd did pretty much go through all the best guys at 130 and beat the man at 135. I accept that from 140-154 he pretty much just went on paper belt collecting missions but you have to give him credit for those two divisions.

The bold was just the cherry on top

[El Dominicano]

I accept that it is tougher for the British guys. THey don't get the same platform that the Americans get into fighting good fighters on the big stage, especially young American fighters that are also successful Olympians such as Floyd.

Still, it is possible to make the move. The likes of Lewis and more recently Hatton have been able to do it. I find it hard to believe that Joe couldn't have taken some steps to build his profile a little earlier in the US and land some big fights in America to boost his status.

Still, it is all not that relevant to this topic IMO. I simply look at the resumes and accomplishments of the two and make my judgement. They are both great but Floyd is greater IMO and therefore deserves more credit.

****! I wish I could say it without sounding like a hater. Altough, I dislike Calzaqghe ALOT I do my best to not sound biased...which I can't. Good read by the way