Is Calzaghe the Greatest of All Time?

[BEEHOP]

I'm serious that Calzaghe's in the discussion........and by today's standards, he deserves it. IF Floyd is in the discussion, then Calzaghe must be there to. It's called intellectual honesty.

No, because Floyd is many steps above Joe, Floyd isn't up for debate, but the debate is still easier to argue for Floyd since he is BETTER than JOE. How is that hard to understand?

[Shadows]

No, because Floyd is many steps above Joe, Floyd isn't up for debate, but the debate is still easier to argue for Floyd since he is BETTER than JOE. How is that hard to understand?

The main question is Hop, why isn't the great Sven Ottke in this discussion? I mean he's undefeated too, right?

[Wiley Hyena]

So now your citing past prime fighters as some of his best wins?

You decided to ignore Hernandez and Chavez. Please tell us why.

Hernandez and Chavez, IMO, don't rise to the level of Corrales and Jose Luis. Chico and Castillo II (he lost the first fight by everybody's vote but the judges') were Floyd's finest moments in the ring....that was years ago in a far lighter weight class.

There is no way that Chico and Castillo carry more water than Kessler and Hopkins. The best you could say is that it is about equal.

[daggum]

The main question is Hop, why isn't the great Sven Ottke in this discussion? I mean he's undefeated too, right?

ottke is better than both these clowns. this guy ko'd mundine and schooled glen johnson. no wonder calzaghe never fought the phantom!

[Wiley Hyena]

No, because Floyd is many steps above Joe, Floyd isn't up for debate, but the debate is still easier to argue for Floyd since he is BETTER than JOE. How is that hard to understand?

You make the conclusions you've preconceived. I analyse the data and try to be objective. To simply say "Floyd is many steps up from Calzaghe" is not an argument. You may be blinded by the Mayweather light. But, what I see is Calzaghe opponents that suffer. I don't believe for an instant that Floyd is even one step up from Calzaghe.

[daggum]

Hernandez and Chavez, IMO, don't rise to the level of Corrales and Jose Luis. Chico and Castillo II (he lost the first fight by everybody's vote but the judges') were Floyd's finest moments in the ring....that was years ago in a far lighter weight class.

There is no way that Chico and Castillo carry more water than Kessler and Hopkins. The best you could say is that it is about equal.

well corrales and castillo are both above kessler but hopkins is above both of them. but then again calzaghe didn't really beat hopkins just like mayweather didn't really beat castillo the first time. unlike floyd he never had a rematch and chose to fight some shot dude to pad his fake legacy.

[Shadows]

Hernandez and Chavez, IMO, don't rise to the level of Corrales and Jose Luis. Chico and Castillo II (he lost the first fight by everybody's vote but the judges') were Floyd's finest moments in the ring....that was years ago in a far lighter weight class.

There is no way that Chico and Castillo carry more water than Kessler and Hopkins. The best you could say is that it is about equal.

But you said elite fighters, Chavez and Hernandez was just that. Hernandez was a top 130lber when Floyd fought him, and after Floyd beat Chavez the only fighter ranked above him at 130 for the next few years were great fighters like Casamayor, Barrera, Morales, etc. Chico was a top P4P fighter and JLC was the #1 135lber, in his prime, and at a higher weight. So, yes, you could perhaps say they are equally, but really, Floyd's is better.

So then after that it's what? Lacy and a shot to **** RJJ? C'mon man....

[Dan...]

Hernandez and Chavez, IMO, don't rise to the level of Corrales and Jose Luis. Chico and Castillo II (he lost the first fight by everybody's vote but the judges') were Floyd's finest moments in the ring....that was years ago in a far lighter weight class.

There is no way that Chico and Castillo carry more water than Kessler and Hopkins. The best you could say is that it is about equal.

I'm going to agree with you that Corrales and Chico are on a level with Kess and BHop as far as adding worth to their respective resumes is concerned.

My argument would be that Floyd's body of work behind those two wins, which are probably his best, outweighs Joe's. Behind those two, what does Joe have? A win over a shot to **** Roy Jones, then an overhyped Lacy and a past prime Eubank? Not a great deal else worth noting. Floyd has some pretty good wins outside of those two - Oscar, Hatton, Hernandez, Chavez - I think those wins are better than the Roy, Lacy and Eubank wins. That is my take on it anyways.

[mathed]

Calzaghe was sloppy at times but he always adapted enough to win. Floyd has the natural athletic ability to always look smooth but he always has most of the advantages in any of his fights unlike Joe. They are both very good but Joe had to overcome more: fighting obscure opponents because he himself was obscure for most of his career (to Americans at least), having to come to another guy's home country for a payday, not having the slick style and balance that some other top boxers had.

Floyd has everything handed to him in every fight: he is naturally more gifted than almost any boxer, makes the other boxers meet his demands in almost every fight, has a lawyer guy handle all his public relations for him, uses his mouth to get into PPV matches in almost every fight and then fails to put forth PPV type action at times (that hit and run style works but for the best boxer in the world, it seems a little lacking)

just my opinions on it

[Dr. Ironfist]

I like Floyd and Joe and think right now their resumes are fairly equal. Joe has some great hall of famers on his resume. A very good underrated fighter in Veit who he beat twice before anyone else touched him. He has some good young fighters on his resume with the likes of Kessler. He never got beat. Floyd I think has been hit less, but fights like the Augustus fight bother me with Floyd and theres no way Emanuel should have been able to hurt a really great fighter, but Floyd looked a bit hurt. I dont know. I love PBF though and think he and Joe are two of the top fighters of all time. There is something to be said for just winning. That is the goal of a boxer. Many boxers, especially Joe, couldnt control who they fought, all they could do is beat who was put in front of them...if you do that you are/were great in my opinion, how great depends on the quality and things like title defenses and how you looked/struggled in fights.