Is Calzaghe the Greatest of All Time?

[Wiley Hyena]

Calzahghe is 4 weight classes higher than Floyd dude. If you believe Floyd is the GOAT that's still loads better than thinking Joe is. What you fail to see is that Floyd has a much much much better career with far far greater talent than Calzaghe's career could ever dream of.

I don't see it. I see Floyd fighting 5 bums when he made the jump to 140. I see Floyd dodging Tszyu who owned that division. Then I see Floyd beat DeLaHoya...his best win, although ODH was past his prime. Then another line of mediocrities. I see Floyd dodging Margarito and then Cotto before retirement. I see many opportunities to become an ATG that Floyd declined.

Calzaghe on the other hand cannot be accused of dodging any opposition that was willing to go to Britain to make the fight. Young Jones,Jr and young Hopkins were both given opportunities but they declined until later on when they needed Calzaghe's stature to ehnance their careers. In short, Calzaghe dominated his division with iron fist.

Nope..............you argument falls apart like a cheap jock strap under analysis.

[Dan...]

I don't see it. I see Floyd fighting 5 bums when he made the jump to 140. I see Floyd dodging Tszyu who owned that division. Then I see Floyd beat DeLaHoya...his best win, although ODH was past his prime. Then another line of mediocrities. I see Floyd dodging Margarito and then Cotto before retirement. I see many opportunities to become an ATG that Floyd declined.

Calzaghe on the other hand cannot be accused of dodging any opposition that was willing to go to Britain to make the fight. Young Jones,Jr and young Hopkins were both given opportunities but they declined until later on when they needed Calzaghe's stature to ehnance their careers. In short, Calzaghe dominated his division with iron fist.

Nope..............you argument falls apart like a cheap jock strap under analysis.

Is it truly your belief that Joe has a better resume than Floyd Mayweather?

I don't want to hate on Joe at all, hes a great fighter, but you think wins over a past prime Hopkins, a shot Roy Jones Jr, Jeff Lacy, and past prime Eubank and several reasonable B level opponents is better than wins over the likes of Corrales, Castillo, De la Hoya, Hatton and Hernandez?

I rate fighters on the following criteria:

Resume
Accomplishments
Skills
Longevity
Impact

I have a very hard time favouring Joe over Mayweather in one of those categories to be honest. It just isn't close for mine.

[Shadow boxer 3]

hell no...........

[Klitschko2011]

Joe Calzaghe is definitely greater than Roy Jones Jr. and Bernard Hopkins.

[Wiley Hyena]

Is it truly your belief that Joe has a better resume than Floyd Mayweather?

I don't want to hate on Joe at all, hes a great fighter, but you think wins over a past prime Hopkins, a shot Roy Jones Jr, Jeff Lacy, and past prime Eubank and several reasonable B level opponents is better than wins over the likes of Corrales, Castillo, De la Hoya, Hatton and Hernandez?

I rate fighters on the following criteria:

Resume
Accomplishments
Skills
Longevity
Impact

I have a very hard time favouring Joe over Mayweather in one of those categories to be honest. It just isn't close for mine.

Fair enough, but I take issue with your conclusion. Yes I do believe Calzaghe's level of competition is at least as good as Floyd's. PLUS a big difference: Calzaghe didn't cherry pick through to the apples that had already fallen off the vine. Castillo I and II and Corrales were justifiable, but after that Floyd skated around the pond to pick off stragglers...N'dou, Corley, Brusseles, Gati, et.... Baldomir was a dangerous old pro, but essentially a punching bag for the skills of Floyd. Oscar was over the hill, but fought like a big money name, and Floyd beat him fair and square...for his first midcareer creditable fight. Hatton was WAY overrated. Floyd danced around Hatton and knocked him out almost at his liesure. And then.....Floyd retired instead of taking the obvious fight with Cotto. His third dodge after Tszyu and Margarito. NO....I'm not taken with Floyd's resume at all. He spent his whole career gaining about the same credit Calzaghe got just by fighting and beating Lacy, Kessler, Hopkins, and Jones, Jr. A fantastic final run.

[daggum]

Fair enough, but I take issue with your conclusion. Yes I do believe Calzaghe's level of competition is at least as good as Floyd's. PLUS a big difference: Calzaghe didn't cherry pick through to the apples that had already fallen off the vine. Castillo I and II and Corrales were justifiable, but after that Floyd skated around the pond to pick off stragglers...N'dou, Corley, Brusseles, Gati, et.... Baldomir was a dangerous old pro, but essentially a punching bag for the skills of Floyd. Oscar was over the hill, but fought like a big money name, and Floyd beat him fair and square...for his first midcareer creditable fight. Hatton was WAY overrated. Floyd danced around Hatton and knocked him out almost at his liesure. And then.....Floyd retired instead of taking the obvious fight with Cotto. His third dodge after Tszyu and Margarito. NO....I'm not taken with Floyd's resume at all. He spent his whole career gaining about the same credit Calzaghe got just by fighting and beating Lacy, Kessler, Hopkins, and Jones, Jr. A fantastic final run.

what do you call fighting shot jones jr? plenty of other worthy opponents and he picks the shot guy who hadn't been good in 5 years.

what do you call the first ten years of his wbo "Title" reign. reid, woodhall, brewer, mitchell. he fought them all after they lost their titles lol.

he never even fought sven ottke the other guy with 21 title defenses at the same exact time in the same exact division.

what do you call fighting peter manfredo? the reality show contestant loser.

sounds like a cherry picking scumbag to me. he even claimed he was too scared to fly so he couldn't fight in america. who knows he probably was he does seem like a pansy judging by the way he fights.

[Dan...]

Fair enough, but I take issue with your conclusion. Yes I do believe Calzaghe's level of competition is at least as good as Floyd's. PLUS a big difference: Calzaghe didn't cherry pick through to the apples that had already fallen off the vine. Castillo I and II and Corrales were justifiable, but after that Floyd skated around the pond to pick off stragglers...N'dou, Corley, Brusseles, Gati, et.... Baldomir was a dangerous old pro, but essentially a punching bag for the skills of Floyd. Oscar was over the hill, but fought like a big money name, and Floyd beat him fair and square...for his first midcareer creditable fight. Hatton was WAY overrated. Floyd danced around Hatton and knocked him out almost at his liesure. And then.....Floyd retired instead of taking the obvious fight with Cotto. His third dodge after Tszyu and Margarito. NO....I'm not taken with Floyd's resume at all. He spent his whole career gaining about the same credit Calzaghe got just by fighting and beating Lacy, Kessler, Hopkins, and Jones, Jr. A fantastic final run.

I'm not trying to make FLoyd's resume out to be better than it is. Sure he could be accused of cherry-picking at various points throughout his career, but on the whole I think he fought a better list of opposition.

The Kessler win is Joe's best IMO. He was a prime, elite fighter. Whilst I think the Hopkins win is a good one, there is no getting away from the fact that it was an old Hopkins. Yes, Hopkins turning around and schooling Pavlik does add to Joe's win, but it still has that big qualification. The Jones and Lacy wins are pretty ordinary ones IMO. Lacy was never anything special and Roy was totally shot when Joe got to him.

You talk a lot about "cherry-picking" and circumstances, which is fine, but thats not what you take into account when you talk resumes. Its who did they beat and when did they beat them?

Based on that question, it is pretty clear in my view that Mayweather beat the higher quality of opposition when, collectively they were closer to their best.

[Don Johnson]

Statistically, not perfect. But, if you want to believe the Lopez was the GOAT....fine with me!

he's a helluva lot better than Joe calzaghe, he actually fought fighters with a pulse.

[Wiley Hyena]

what do you call fighting shot jones jr? plenty of other worthy opponents and he picks the shot guy who hadn't been good in 5 years.

what do you call the first ten years of his wbo "Title" reign. reid, woodhall, brewer, mitchell. he fought them all after they lost their titles lol.

he never even fought sven ottke the other guy with 21 title defenses at the same exact time in the same exact division.

what do you call fighting peter manfredo? the reality show contestant loser.

sounds like a cherry picking scumbag to me. he even claimed he was too scared to fly so he couldn't fight in america. who knows he probably was he does seem like a pansy judging by the way he fights.

What I call it is..........objective logic. For you to place Floyd in the GOAT arena, then you must place Calzaghe in the GOAT arena.............if you are intellectually honest. There are no other considerations.

[daggum]

he's a helluva lot better than Joe calzaghe, he actually fought fighters with a pulse.

i dont know dead guys can take a helluva punch though.