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  • Scary
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    Was Roy a bad opponent?

    The bout in Madison Square Garden, between undefeated Joe Calzaghe and former 4-weight world champion and future hall of famer Roy Jones Jr. is by many considered as a one-sided fight in which Joe Calzaghe outboxed and outworked Roy Jones Jr. with ease.

    But was this fight just another usual Calzaghe dominance or is that not the true story about this fight?

    I respectfully disagree.

    Well first of all Roy Jones Jr. has never been a 8-10 combination fighter and has never fought a guy, whose pace is as fast as Joe Calzaghes'. He has never fought a guy who hits so much as Joe Calzaghe, and to prove that point Calzaghe had already in round 9 thrown more punches at Roy than anyone else has ever accomplished, which the cut also resembled.

    The first round is a pretty equal round, until Calzaghe recieves a 1-2 combination to his chin and tastes the canvas, plus he looses the round, on all three judges scorecards.
    Now let's just sum up what happens, and basicly this is my theory.

    Calzaghe doesn't get knocked down by a flash knockdown, as we saw in the Bernard Hopkins fight, and Joe Calzaghe wasn't off balance. This was a clean knockdown by two hard hits, even though one of them was by the wrist. Calzaghe has only been down four times in his caréer, he has proved his chin several times. But this time was different, he was off to a fresh and offensive start, so what took him down, was the power of Roy Jones Jr., let's settle here for a moment.

    I've watched round 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 10, 11 and 12 in slowmotion, because I noticed something while watching the fight live, I noticed how many times Roy Jones Jr. hits Calzaghe clean and very hard during the fight, at least 15-20 very hard punches, that I don't believe anyone could have gone through like Joe Calzaghe did. Calzaghe on the other hand made the punches look like baby slaps the way he took them, he intimidated Roy Jones Jr., while fooling the world into believe that the punches he took was nothing compared to his rate of hits.

    After watching the fight in slowmotion I'm not in the smallest doubt that Calzaghe won this fight fairly big and comfortable, but I think the way he won, by teasing, intimidating and keeping a fast pace was the reason for people saying that Roy Jones Jr. was only a shadow of himself and what he once was in a boxing ring. Now hear me out before you starts flaming this thread.
    One of the reasons why I think that these punches made such a big impact on Calzaghe is because of something I've never seen him do. Misjudging his own ringside. 4 out of 12 rounds he misjudges his own ringside, one of them following Roy Jones to his corner, until the referre wakes him up. I have never in any Joe Calzaghe fights, not even the fight against Bernard Hopkins, see him misjudging even one time. This is the first time ever for Joe Calzaghe, and when he suddenly misjudges 4 out of 12 rounds, I think it's a statement of it's own, he was being hit, he was being hit hard.

    So basicly my theory is that Roy Jones Jr. didn't underperform this bout, he boxed a very good fight and he deserves much more respect, especially by the Roy Jones fans, than he is getting now. Let my point be proved or disproved if he boxes again and let that be the final words of this thread.
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    ill respectfully say that the main reason joe landed more punches and threw more punches at roy... is because roy is now there to be hit... he isnt gonna move.. be evasive... duck and use lateral movement....

    hes just gonna cover up... and u can tee off...

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    • ИATAS
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      #3
      40 years old. Look at his 6 previous fights:

      L Tarver - KO
      L Johnson - KO
      L Tarver - UD
      W Prince Badi Ajamu (who?)
      W Anthony Hanshaw (who?)
      W Felix Trinidad (tito, as in the 2 year retired welter/middleweight??)

      I rest my case.

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      • Hitman932
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        this is really a matter of personal opinion.

        My opinion: Calzaghe's victory over RJJ was as significant as a win over Zsolt Erdei would have been. In fact a win over Erdei may have been more significant in that Calzaghe would have claimed the LHW linear title to go with the Ring Belt (which I DO NOT recognize)

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          #5
          Originally posted by Scary
          The bout in Madison Square Garden, between undefeated Joe Calzaghe and former 4-weight world champion and future hall of famer Roy Jones Jr. is by many considered as a one-sided fight in which Joe Calzaghe outboxed and outworked Roy Jones Jr. with ease.

          But was this fight just another usual Calzaghe dominance or is that not the true story about this fight?

          I respectfully disagree.

          Well first of all Roy Jones Jr. has never been a 8-10 combination fighter and has never fought a guy, whose pace is as fast as Joe Calzaghes'. He has never fought a guy who hits so much as Joe Calzaghe, and to prove that point Calzaghe had already in round 9 thrown more punches at Roy than anyone else has ever accomplished, which the cut also resembled.

          The first round is a pretty equal round, until Calzaghe recieves a 1-2 combination to his chin and tastes the canvas, plus he looses the round, on all three judges scorecards.
          Now let's just sum up what happens, and basicly this is my theory.

          Calzaghe doesn't get knocked down by a flash knockdown, as we saw in the Bernard Hopkins fight, and Joe Calzaghe wasn't off balance. This was a clean knockdown by two hard hits, even though one of them was by the wrist. Calzaghe has only been down four times in his caréer, he has proved his chin several times. But this time was different, he was off to a fresh and offensive start, so what took him down, was the power of Roy Jones Jr., let's settle here for a moment.

          I've watched round 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 10, 11 and 12 in slowmotion, because I noticed something while watching the fight live, I noticed how many times Roy Jones Jr. hits Calzaghe clean and very hard during the fight, at least 15-20 very hard punches, that I don't believe anyone could have gone through like Joe Calzaghe did. Calzaghe on the other hand made the punches look like baby slaps the way he took them, he intimidated Roy Jones Jr., while fooling the world into believe that the punches he took was nothing compared to his rate of hits.

          After watching the fight in slowmotion I'm not in the smallest doubt that Calzaghe won this fight fairly big and comfortable, but I think the way he won, by teasing, intimidating and keeping a fast pace was the reason for people saying that Roy Jones Jr. was only a shadow of himself and what he once was in a boxing ring. Now hear me out before you starts flaming this thread.
          One of the reasons why I think that these punches made such a big impact on Calzaghe is because of something I've never seen him do. Misjudging his own ringside. 4 out of 12 rounds he misjudges his own ringside, one of them following Roy Jones to his corner, until the referre wakes him up. I have never in any Joe Calzaghe fights, not even the fight against Bernard Hopkins, see him misjudging even one time. This is the first time ever for Joe Calzaghe, and when he suddenly misjudges 4 out of 12 rounds, I think it's a statement of it's own, he was being hit, he was being hit hard.

          So basicly my theory is that Roy Jones Jr. didn't underperform this bout, he boxed a very good fight and he deserves much more respect, especially by the Roy Jones fans, than he is getting now. Let my point be proved or disproved if he boxes again and let that be the final words of this thread.
          Why Do Calzaghe nutridgers always write novels?

          Roy was SHOT years ago. I called it for nearly three years. Nice try.

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            #6
            Originally posted by bsrizpac
            Why Do Calzaghe nutridgers always write novels?

            Roy was SHOT years ago. I called it for nearly three years. Nice try.
            So you dont think he hit Calzaghe hard during the fight?

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            • Scary
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              #7
              Come on, somebody must agree?

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              • Scary
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                #8
                There's your evidence.

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                • Chr0nic
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                  i said this plenty of times, he was smashing calzaghe up, but calzaghe fooled the judges by walking past the **** like it was just drops of water from his shower head

                  ****

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                  • ghost deini
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Scary
                    The bout in Madison Square Garden, between undefeated Joe Calzaghe and former 4-weight world champion and future hall of famer Roy Jones Jr. is by many considered as a one-sided fight in which Joe Calzaghe outboxed and outworked Roy Jones Jr. with ease.

                    But was this fight just another usual Calzaghe dominance or is that not the true story about this fight?

                    I respectfully disagree.

                    Well first of all Roy Jones Jr. has never been a 8-10 combination fighter and has never fought a guy, whose pace is as fast as Joe Calzaghes'. He has never fought a guy who hits so much as Joe Calzaghe, and to prove that point Calzaghe had already in round 9 thrown more punches at Roy than anyone else has ever accomplished, which the cut also resembled.

                    The first round is a pretty equal round, until Calzaghe recieves a 1-2 combination to his chin and tastes the canvas, plus he looses the round, on all three judges scorecards.
                    Now let's just sum up what happens, and basicly this is my theory.

                    Calzaghe doesn't get knocked down by a flash knockdown, as we saw in the Bernard Hopkins fight, and Joe Calzaghe wasn't off balance. This was a clean knockdown by two hard hits, even though one of them was by the wrist. Calzaghe has only been down four times in his caréer, he has proved his chin several times. But this time was different, he was off to a fresh and offensive start, so what took him down, was the power of Roy Jones Jr., let's settle here for a moment.

                    I've watched round 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 10, 11 and 12 in slowmotion, because I noticed something while watching the fight live, I noticed how many times Roy Jones Jr. hits Calzaghe clean and very hard during the fight, at least 15-20 very hard punches, that I don't believe anyone could have gone through like Joe Calzaghe did. Calzaghe on the other hand made the punches look like baby slaps the way he took them, he intimidated Roy Jones Jr., while fooling the world into believe that the punches he took was nothing compared to his rate of hits.

                    After watching the fight in slowmotion I'm not in the smallest doubt that Calzaghe won this fight fairly big and comfortable, but I think the way he won, by teasing, intimidating and keeping a fast pace was the reason for people saying that Roy Jones Jr. was only a shadow of himself and what he once was in a boxing ring. Now hear me out before you starts flaming this thread.
                    One of the reasons why I think that these punches made such a big impact on Calzaghe is because of something I've never seen him do. Misjudging his own ringside. 4 out of 12 rounds he misjudges his own ringside, one of them following Roy Jones to his corner, until the referre wakes him up. I have never in any Joe Calzaghe fights, not even the fight against Bernard Hopkins, see him misjudging even one time. This is the first time ever for Joe Calzaghe, and when he suddenly misjudges 4 out of 12 rounds, I think it's a statement of it's own, he was being hit, he was being hit hard.

                    So basicly my theory is that Roy Jones Jr. didn't underperform this bout, he boxed a very good fight and he deserves much more respect, especially by the Roy Jones fans, than he is getting now. Let my point be proved or disproved if he boxes again and let that be the final words of this thread.
                    really good post

                    i remember right after the fight i was so pissed (being the obsessed Roy fan i am) i was saying Joe got lucky. and all my mates were lookin at me funny like nah bruv Roy took a beating i begged to differ.

                    i watched the fight again recently aswell and i can remember even when i watched it live that Roy was hitting Calzaghe with hard straight right hands but Joe was just takin them i thought maybe Roy had lost his power but now i put it down to Joe's sheer determination and good chin that made him able to take those shots and still keep coming at him.
                    him and enzo must have known that if they just kept going at Roy an attacking he wouldn't be able to cope. the cut played a huge part aswell not saying it would have been any different because i still think Calzaghe would've won but it did seriously hamper Jones who up untill that fight had never been cut in his whole career as far as im aware

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