if calzaghe was american would be he considered an atg

[FUC_U_PAYME]

Marciano and Dempsey are no longer considered great because they are white. Back in the 60s, if you watch the old documentaries, you'll see that they were considered great at that time.

If Ali was a white man, all the negative aspects would be emphasized. They'd talk about Patterson and Liston being old fighters, the state of the heavyweight division being poor in the 60s, talk about his loss to Frazier at age 29, about Norton being robbed and should have two wins not one over Ali, that he was lucky Foreman gassed because he was losing up to that point, etc.

why do you always have to bring race into everything you type.

Who said Dempsey is not a all time great just because he lost his top spot to other fighters dose not mean he is not a atg anymore.

Speaking of Dempsey did you you that called him a draft dodgers just like they did with Ali.

[Testdead]

atg stands for all time great.

he is not the greatest of all time.

not even close......

No but he will go down as a atg.

Hopkins isnt the greatest but an atg.

[WhoreUs]

And the best in the division is Chad Dawson. He's young, undefeated and the CHAMPION, the man to beat. So no ATG sorry Joe.

i was referring to how they rank all time thoughout history.



as for as chad dawson i don't know if he's the best of the division......but beating glengoffe and antonio is certainly on par with beating hopkins and roy.

[WhoreUs]

No but he will go down as a atg.

Hopkins isnt the greatest but an atg.

people use atg too much that's why.

personally...... at 160 haglers skull****s overrated hopkins. that's just me though.

[kenso]

A boxer should be American, and definitely has to be black to be considered an all time great.

If he's not an American and black, he has to be twice as good as an American black fighter before they'll call him great. If he's not an American and white, no matter what he does or who he beats, he'll never be considered great.

lennox lewis was black and british

[P4P Opinion]

or it could just be exposure.

the more a person sees/knows a fighter and his opponent the more favorable they see him.

nationality/ethnicity has nothing to do with it. at least to most people.

Sure, I think exposure has a lot to do with it, but I also think there is previously well-founded and now un-founded American superiority complex in regards to the heavier divisions believed by the majority of boxing fans, American or not. These people have grown up watching Americans dominate and history says the same, so they find it very difficult to accept that a European can even be on the same level as an American legend. They have always had to accept that Mexicans are the dominant force in the lower divisions and eventually they will accept that it isn't where you're born that counts, it's what you achieve.

[Wales08]

Calzaghe is an alll time great 46-0, when someone who has never lost comes round and defends his title for more than 10 years and beating champions you know there great.

Sir Joe Calzaghe.

[WhoreUs]

Calzaghe is an alll time great 46-0, when someone who has never lost comes round and defends his title for more than 10 years and beating champions you know there great.

Sir Joe Calzaghe.

brian nielsen was 49-0.

nielsen > calzaghe

[Derranged]

The problem with Calzaghe is that he did too little, too late. He didnt start fighting big American names until he was 35, then after Lacy, he fights Sakio Bika and Peter Manfredo... Not good enough. There's nothing Joe can do to be accepted as an ATG because he did not do enough early in his career.

But I would like to see how Joe woulda done with a different trainer, one who actually boxed.

[Pullcounter]

jat hehehe

of course he wouldn't.

RJJ, Hopkins, and PBF can't even get any respect. All 3 of them were and still are called overrated by various posters and writings.